Evolution or Intelligent Design?

[Brenton]

In Canada we don't really have the politics problem. Even some of the conservative Christian schools will teach evolution guided by God.

I'm a conservative Christian, but I don't think the Bible is a scientific text book. Not that I trust scientists explicitly. Science has raised its ugly head more than once.

What I certainly don't buy is the evolutionary philosophy.

So to respond to mongo, #1 & #2 I read differently, #3 & #4 I think science has nothing or little to say about, and #5 leads me to ask the question: "why should it, since the Bible is not a scientific textbook?"

Either way, science or faith or both, I hope the wonder is still there for us all. In this case, the wonder makes me curious about the creation, but makes me yearn to worship the Creator.

 

[TrueDetailer]

I'm a free thinker, i don't beleive in a god. Crawling out of the mud seems more possible than the god scenerio. No one knows for sure, and i don't care. So thats what i clicked on.

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

For those of you choosing Evolutionary theory, what are your thoughts regarding the "afterlife?" And if you believe that your existence simply ceases, what motivates you to live the way you live?

This isn't to say anything you believe is WRONG, but I'm just curious what the mindset on the "other side of the fence" is....

 

[TrueDetailer]

For those of you choosing Evolutionary theory, what are your thoughts regarding the "afterlife?" And if you believe that your existence simply ceases, what motivates you to live the way you live?

This isn't to say anything you believe is WRONG, but I'm just curious what the mindset on the "other side of the fence" is....

My thoughts are that when you die, thats it your dead. No heaven or hell, no reincarnation, nothing. I live my life how i want to, not how some book or thing says i should. Family and the thing i enjoy doing are what motivates me to get out of bed everyday.

 

[CARTfan]

Concerning evolution there is little evidence for it.
The fossil record does not support evolution because there are gaps in it as you would epect for design wherews evoliution there would be transitional fossils . Thats why scinist do not support Darwinian evolution any more because the fossil resord does not support it. the use quantam evolution which says long periods of slow growth then rapid series of changes thats why not see trnstinal fosils.

Evolution is a theory if that yet being taught in shools especially colleges as fact.

creation has more evidence for it that evolution : however I do not know for sure so either way it all comes down to FAITH on both sides.

regards mongo

:lmfao Egads.

 

[mongo]

Look for the evidence of a transitional fossil and you can't.
Lucy , Piltdown man all hoaxes .
True the Bible is not a scientific book but when it does speak of scientific items they are corect unlike any other "religious' book .

The Bible speaks of dinosaurs
also mentions curvature of the earth when everyone else thought it was flat.
why was circumcision done on the 8th day because vitamin k was most present on that day vitamin K helps make the blood clot.
Bible says life of the body is in the blood well we know that now but back then they used blood letting to heal.

mutations are mostly harmful, and as time goes on, they impose an increasingly 'genetic burden" on a species. What are some beneficial mutations well there is only one sickle cell anemia disease of red blood cells.
Benificial cause in Africa Malaria the malaria leaves the sickle -cell alon.
but the cost is high: 25% of the children of carriers die of sickle-cell anemia
> if you want to call that a good mutation , your welcome to it.

regards mongo

 

[Phideaux]

Why: Because I have seen miracles. I also don't think the complexity of living organisms could ever happen by chance or evolve from fish crawling out of mud and eventually turning into people. There are still fish and there is still mud so it would still be happening today if it ever happened in the first place. I also have faith and when I die, I hope to live forever in heaven. Evolutionists don't have that hope and I hope that I'm right and they are wrong but I am sure I will find out someday.

What he said! Besides the fact that I'm a Christian and look at things from a biblical perspective, there are just too many diverse and complex versions of the same thing for me to believe that it all just sort of evolved and turned out the way it did. Take birds for instance. If the evolution theory is correct, then each bird would be the perfect flying hunting machine, but they aren't. Some birds are small,some have 6 ft wingspans, some hunt meat, others eat nectar from flowers, some can fly long distances, and some can't even fly. Wouldn't all birds be like an eagle or falcon if they were to evolve into the optimum bird?

 

[Jngrbrdman]

I believe in God, but I also believe that God is bound by natural laws. If He created life through evolution, then who am I to argue? I find it difficult to believe that He would just cause man to appear without any natural law being present. That is just my own belief though. Ultimately I believe that He could have created life however He wanted to, and evolution is certianly one of the possible ways that it could be done. Evolution theories explain why so many species evolved the way they did.

I will always believe that God works within natural laws and always has, so from the creation of the universe to the creation of life, there will always be a logical explanation available. We just might not be able to comprehend that explanation in our mortal states where we only use 10% of our brains.

 

[Mikeyc]

I have to really salute you guys for keeping this discussion so civil. Religion oriented topics like this one often spin out of control into name calling and mindless arguing. I think you guys should all give yourselves a pat on the back (seriously).

Aside from voting though, I think I'll stay out of the conversation.

 

[bermi23]

I'm just curious.



Why: Because I have seen miracles. I also don't think the complexity of living organisms could ever happen by chance or evolve from fish crawling out of mud and eventually turning into people. There are still fish and there is still mud so it would still be happening today if it ever happened in the first place. I also have faith and when I die, I hope to live forever in heaven. Evolutionists don't have that hope and I hope that I'm right and they are wrong but I am sure I will find out someday.

I vote for Intelligent Design.
Not because I have seen miracles, but I also felt a unexplainable joy in several occacion while worship at my church. I believe that joy that I have felt can come only from a higher power and that is God.

 

[Jen@autogeek]

I have to really salute you guys for keeping this discussion so civil. Religion oriented topics like this one often spin out of control into name calling and mindless arguing. I think you guys should all give yourselves a pat on the back (seriously).

Aside from voting though, I think I'll stay out of the conversation.

I agree! :yay In fact, I think I'll pat myself on the back right now!! Uh, can somebody pat my back for me?? I can't reach.

 

[Beercan31]

It's a shame you did not put the one option in there that I feel you MIGHT have seen some numbers on.also...

Extraterrestrial Involvement

There are as many unanswered questions from all sides then there are questions... who knows with the way the middle East is going and if that is where it all all started we may never find out.

Each and every great civilization has come and gone from the beginning of time. even the most powerful ones have fallen.
Intelligent Design - Created By God
even today with our sophistication of the human body we can not recreate man. just piece him together.

Evolution - Crawled Out Of Mud
We have never found direct evidence to the missing link.

Extraterrestrial Involvement
No positive proof of this either...
so who to say

just hope that what ever you do choose to belive in it gives you peace of mind and good will to all.
treat others as you like to be treated.

 

[theRIAA]

Intelligent Design, and check out http://www.answersingenesis.org/

...carbon dating

 

[Joe's Detail]

For those of you choosing Evolutionary theory, what are your thoughts regarding the "afterlife?" And if you believe that your existence simply ceases, what motivates you to live the way you live?

This isn't to say anything you believe is WRONG, but I'm just curious what the mindset on the "other side of the fence" is....

I choose the evolutionary theory. Evolution is the only thing that makes logical sense to me. intelligent design just seems to hard to believe and the facts just don't add up for me, but everyone has there oppinion and i respect that.

To be honest, i don't worry about the afterlife that much, i just live for tommorrow.

 

[Big Lou]

Religion was and is used to control the masses. Using fear errr faith to guide people to make the desicions that, that particular group wants those people to make.

The majority of religions do teach people good values and proper ways to live there lives. A small amount of common sence would provide the same information.

The one huge flaw in religion in my eyes has always been the multitude of choices you had in faith. What makes any one religion any more valid then another? Each follower of thier religion believes in there god or goat, rock, star, whatever, equally as much as the next guy.

Its always seemed to me a very convienant way of people not accepting reality. Its alot easier for people to think that when some one dies they are "going to a better place." It was gods will. Then to just deal with the loss and move on. Learn to cherish the time you and the people you love spend together, knowing that at any time it could be over.

The next time you get ready to ask god for something turn it around and ask yourself what you would have to do to make it happen. I promiss you that if you put your faith into yourself and your desicions it will happen alot sooner then if you waited for god to do it.

Take chances, accept responcibility for yourself and your choices. You where the one that made them.

Lou

 

[GearHead_1]

Its always seemed to me a very convienant way of people not accepting reality. Its a lot easier for people to think that when some one dies they are "going to a better place." It was gods will.

No offense intended but I believe that there may be something missing in the logic of your statement. In many people's belief system having to face a final judgement (moving on to a better place or perhaps worse) would be harder that just accepting what you state to be reality. This is true particularly if they don't feel they have met the expectation of their deity. Saying that we're here we're gone seems to me to be the easier or more convenient route.

Then to just deal with the loss and move on.

This is how they many choose to deal with the loss, it's their reality. What you casually claim to be reality can be argued and certainly isn't a documented fact in the minds of a large percentage of the world's population. In fact there are probably more that believe in a Divine One or "better place" than those who don't.

Learn to cherish the time you and the people you love spend together, knowing that at any time it could be over.

In my mind this is the case regardless of which side of the fence one sits. This simply describes the "reality" of the life people presently know.

The next time you get ready to ask god for something turn it around and ask yourself what you would have to do to make it happen. I promiss you that if you put your faith into yourself and your desicions it will happen alot sooner then if you waited for god to do it.

That's a promise that can't be made. Whether it be one or many people that have tried the principle of their belief and have found it to work for them. I believe it is fair to say that one can't be taken back in any particular circumstance and have the situation duplicated exactly. You can't then rerun this situation using the direction you provide in order to make a valid comparison. There will always be subtle variances or differences in the scenario. A heads up analytic comparison can't be made, therefore it can't be proven. If it can't be proven then it can't be promised. From strictly an academic argument this point can be no real stretch of the mind.

 

[The Fuzz]

Here is a pic that I though the evolutionists would like. Since we apparently evolved from apes, maybe some of you might wanna go "old school" and check out this sexy momma. Her arms are a little too hairy for me but maybe someone with a "missing link fetish" might get into a girl like her.

 

[Beercan31]

lol She has Camaro writen all over her.

 

[Big Lou]

Oldest known baby fossil found - Science - MSNBC.com

 

[emaxxman]

I believe in evolution.

It's interesting that those who don't believe in evolution don't believe in it because it's difficult to accept that a seemingly random sequence of events was the start of our universe. One could say that the problem with intelligent design is that it is based on the belief and exceptance of a single, all powerful being who just happens to exist out of nowhere.