Carnauba "Mythbuster".

Scottwax said:
Maybe, maybe not. I have a lot of customers who still want their vehicles waxed regularly even though I use sealants on their cars. Basically, they want their cars taken care of like we take care of ours.
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You took the words right out of my fingers.;)



There's a big difference between a detailed vehicle and one that is just protected.:up
 
Question. If you are using a sealant, then why is it necessary to top it with a carnauba? Would it be that there is something missing with the appearance of the sealant, that topping it with a carnauba would seem to satisfy a look that may not have been achieved??



A very interesting question.................anyone?



It kind of compromises the position that a sealant can outperform a carnauba product, when in fact some users feel the need to apply a "carnauba" on top of their long lasting sealant just because of a look that's missing. Very interesting indeed......
 
lbls1 said:
Question. If you are using a sealant, then why is it necessary to top it with a carnauba? Would it be that there is something missing with the appearance of the sealant, that topping it with a carnauba would seem to satisfy a look that may not have been achieved??



A very interesting question.................anyone?
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Since not everyone applies a carnuaba over a sealant, there could be many factors why:



Which sealant one is using.



Desired appearance



Something to do until the sealants wears off



Use up an expensive product that been collecting dust



A change of scenery........



:nixweiss
 
Hmmmm



So my rickety, rackety, bleached 'nuba flakes are old and outdated, and your (chuckle) sealant is the new end all product that outlasts all nubas, is what's said to me in public.



I turn my back, walk away, and then people pull out the Frosted Flakes..........for a 'nuba taste that "You can never outgrow"....



It just brings a chuckle to my throat somehow......
 
lbls1 said:
Hmmmm



So my rickety, rackety, bleached 'nuba flakes are old and outdated, and your (chuckle) sealant is the new end all product that outlasts all nubas, is what's said to me in public.



I turn my back, walk away, and then people pull out the Frosted Flakes..........for a 'nuba taste that "You can never outgrow"....



It just brings a chuckle to my throat somehow......
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I wouldn't worry about what other people use as long as whatever product you use meets your appearance and protection desires. I used carnuaba products for over 35 years and they always served my needs for vehicle care.
 
Oh I'm not, believe me. My 'Nuba Works!!!



I just can't help getting a kick out of all of the twists of this thread. I am actually having fun reading this stuff!!!!!
 
lbls1 said:
Question. If you are using a sealant, then why is it necessary to top it with a carnauba? Would it be that there is something missing with the appearance of the sealant, that topping it with a carnauba would seem to satisfy a look that may not have been achieved??



A very interesting question.................anyone?



It kind of compromises the position that a sealant can outperform a carnauba product, when in fact some users feel the need to apply a "carnauba" on top of their long lasting sealant just because of a look that's missing. Very interesting indeed......
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I fail to understand how a Nuba topped sealant, can change its appearance. I just dont get it. And before someone tells me something scientific, have some back up. Because I dont fall for it gentlemen. How can a nuba do anything to depth or warmth or whatever it is you want to call it, when the paint is sealed with a synthetic? The Nubas do not penetrate the synthetics barrier. All I see happening is whatever color wax your using temporarilly optically alters the appearance, and its very short lived.

I judge a paints appearance by approx 3 items.

Clarity (lack of light altering imperfections, a.k.a scratches/swirls, oxidation)

Color (this is what I would call depth, and its only attainable through cleaning/polishing the clear coat, revealing a virgin color coat.)

Reflectiveness (What does the polish and sealant combo your using, actually provide/attain, how sharp and crisp does it appear, 90% polish, 10% protective barrier)

Maybe I just know what to look for, but not quite how to explain it here..............lol
 
Then my counter question is this, and original question remains........



If topping with a carnauba doesn't change the appearance of a sealant's finish, then why would a carnauba be used on top of it in the first place?
 
lbls1 said:
Then my counter question is this, and original question remains........



If topping with a carnauba doesn't change the appearance of a sealant's finish, then why would a carnauba be used on top of it in the first place?
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My simple answer, I have no idea! Why would anyone? I just dont see any significance of doing so. And thats why I use synthetics......Im with you in your query.....
 
My point exactly. Thanks. An LSP is supposed to render the finish (aside from the obligatory prep work) all by itself, whether its a sealant or a carnauba. The combination of the two IMO will not parallel the correct use of either media.
 
lbls1 said:
Then my counter question is this, and original question remains........



If topping with a carnauba doesn't change the appearance of a sealant's finish, then why would a carnauba be used on top of it in the first place?
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I use a carnauba wax on top of Klasse because I like the way it beads water.
 
I want to say what I'm thinking........but I won't. I respect both media (at least in this thread). I'm having fun at the moment anyways, so why spoil it????
 
Anthony Orosco said:
Well here's another question.....why are most top concourse winners users of carnauba?



Anthony
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A simple answer could be tradition and the other would be the way SS paints re-act to carnuaba and its oils. :nixweiss
 
Well here's the low down.....if you like the carnauba by all means use it. It may not last like a synthetic but many people can tell a difference between a synthetic and a carnauba and they prefer a paste or cream wax.



Personally I like the polymer/carnauba system.



The area of "looks" is always subjective to each individual so there is no "best" lsp in that regards. If you're informed then you'll know that you will need to reapply the wax more than the synthetic which is no big deal really.



Benvegas though was not seeking to make a debate about appearance but more about the "myths" that follow carnauba waxes around. One of those being that a higher cost wax means it's better.



Anthony
 
Anthony Orosco said:
Well here's another question.....why are most top concourse winners users of carnauba?



Anthony
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Anthony the othe side of the coin says if the majority of them were using a Synthetic, the higher the opportunity for a synthetic to take top honor.

I also agree with Edwins statement where it may be more traditional to use a Nuba.....

All im stating is I dont see a difference in the two other then stability and longevity. I know for certain if you put UPP (My fav) aside lets say a well known Nuba, ummmm, P21s, I know for certain I would not be able to tell the difference.

I find Bens info very valuable, im glad he brought it to light as well.....
 
I tried silence..........but I can't. I can't let this discussion go without throwing in my old standby tune.



That tune is........you will never know how good something is (or is not) without trying it firsthand, and doing a real comparison yourself. All of the muckety talk about high cost and no real benefit means nothing if you havent really tried the product, and put it against other waxes, lsps, and what you were using b4.



Don't knock the king's creams bc they cost a fortune. Try on one of those 'nubas...yes I dare you....and put it to the test.



If they fail, then by all means say that they failed. Also show us how they failed (don't be bashful......show us pics). Say how it was used, how it was compared, what products you compared them with, and the duration of your comparison.



But all of the talk about hyped products that don't deliver won't accomplish anything other than making me laugh..........not that I don't appreciate it though. And............I saw all of you looking at that English gentleman's work so don't try it...............lollll!!!
 
There's one guy on here I know has tried MANY of the top of the line carnaubas and that's DaveKG.



Someone should get him in on this and see what he says. He could really tell us what the difference is between the high-end and low-end carnaubas. I know you guys have seen his collection.
 
lbls1 said:
I tried silence..........but I can't. I can't let this discussion go without throwing in my old standby tune.



That tune is........you will never know how good something is (or is not) without trying it firsthand, and doing a real comparison yourself. All of the muckety talk about high cost and no real benefit means nothing if you havent really tried the product, and put it against other waxes, lsps, and what you were using b4.



Don't knock the king's creams bc they cost a fortune. Try on one of those 'nubas...yes I dare you....and put it to the test.



If they fail, then by all means say that they failed. Also show us how they failed (don't be bashful......show us pics). Say how it was used, how it was compared, what products you compared them with, and the duration of your comparison.



But all of the talk about hyped products that don't deliver won't accomplish anything other than making me laugh..........not that I don't appreciate it though. And............I saw all of you looking at that English gentleman's work so don't try it...............lollll!!!
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Tell ya what, you front the $1000.00 and I'll try it.



Speaking to several chemists and reps that actually make these products they can give me no reason why any wax should be priced over $30.00 for 8oz.



What's the difference between a 16oz hair shampoo that costs $35.00 and one that costs $3.50 ? Not much when you read the ingredient lists. Plant extracts one may say? They do nothing for your hair. Does one moisturize better because of certain ingredients? No not really but it SOUNDS or READS so much nicer so it makes one think they are really moisturizing their hair. I have long hair and am rather anal about its care and I used to buy into all that crap about "It must be better for my hair because it costs as much as my car payment" mentality but after some research I found it to be skilled marketing.



So do I need to buy and use all shampoos and conditioners to know that their isn't anything in one over another to justify an extreme cost? Nope. Why? Because the chemistry is basically the same with the same main functional ingredients. So it is with wax. There is no secret ingredient in Zymol Estate that is theirs alone for the chemistry and make up of the functional ingredients is the same. Therefore I do not need to buy and use "the kings" wax in order to know it's worth about $6.00 in materials....if that.



Anthony
 
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