are these TWO changing the face of detailing??

I enjoy helping other people out very much and l try to find better ways and sharing my info with other people.



I have recieved hundreds of pm's, emails, phone calls from lots of people here commenting on such valuble info, process, products, etc...



It's people comments like those that I enjoy helping people.
 
todd@bsaw said:
I believe all that Alfisti is saying is that there is certainly a level of arrogance on the forum. Mix that with a sense of false modesty and patronizing other posters and you don't need to wonder why people get defensive.
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What is there to get defensive about?
 
gmblack3a said:
What is there to get defensive about?
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todd@bsaw said:
I believe all that Alfisti is saying is that there is certainly a level of arrogance on the forum. Mix that with a sense of false modesty and patronizing other posters and you don't need to wonder why people get defensive.
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It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. If people sense they are being patronized, they will get defensive. It's just simple psychology.
 
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hi i'm the OP !



has this ever gotten off topic !!



I think i'll use up my stock of #84 and #80 (my current two step that i can do in my sleep) and have to try this combo some time soon.



looking forward to it !
 
I think it has more to do with perception. Maybe if folks do not agree with a members findings, they just dismiss them as being arrogant.
 
Welcome back OP! :wavey

That was my conclusion as well.



gmblack3a said:
I think it has more to do with perception. Maybe if folks do not agree with a members findings, they just dismiss them as being arrogant.
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Sure, it also has to do with perception, but using that as an excuse is just poor taste. Things are harder to perceive on a web forum, but it also makes pompousness easier to deny as 'mis-perception'.



Sorry to the OP for the side track on this thread, but I believe the discussion has run it's course and the OP has smartly moved on. I've just been noticing a lot of unreasonable arguments on forums that used to be cause by ignorance but are now caused by (the polar opposite) pretentiousness. But instead of taking some modesty advice, it just escalates into pages and pages of bickering.
 
I actually think this is very tame. Have seen battles in the past that I read now (even my own threads) and think what was I/they thinking.



I really don't understand how something can have alot to do with it and still be in poor taste. But what do I know. Maybe folks are getting their feelings hurt over the opinions of others.



People who view others as being pompous could be accused of the same. :nixweiss



Back to the OP.



For now I know these two products have changed the way I detail, but you must find out for yourself if they do or not.
 
I can see how M105 can change detailing and now making it easier to remove deeper defects without having to battle for tons of hours. Is it for everyone? Probably not as it is a more aggressive compound and someone with no experience could possibly do damage.



But, I noticed it does gum up if overworked. Maybe Megs could have put a safeguard in it to protect it from damaging paint. They did put lots of research and many years into developing M105. I do not know for sure.
 
Ryan, I am totally with you about M105 not being for everyone. It is a *very* agressive compound that should be used with great care. People with little or no experience using M105 need to realize that this product was engineered for *fast* defect removal and cannot be worked like traditional compounds on the market. M105 in the wrong hands could turn into a nightmare, but if used properly it can be a huge time saver and produce some the best results in the industry.



We should make a video on the next detail we do together on proper technique using M105.
 
gmblack3a said:
Tell me again what is so insulting about what Ryan said:
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I know for sure we are the only ones that know what we are talking about from experience of our tests.
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A great many others have enormous experience too, who are professional and take great pride and go to great lengths to get a perfect result.



I don't agree that people should criticize anyone's observations that differ from the forum consensus.



But neither do I agree that anyone should be criticized as being inexperienced, or un-professional just because they don't agree.



For the record, I do agree with most of what you've said from your experiences. I've drawn similar conclusions from my experience.



What I take exception to is statements like above. You can't call someone's experience into question simply because someone dissagrees with your views, however right you think you are. :cooleek:



Now I'm done. Back to original topic. :geez
 
Humble- not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful



I think there are a few people on here that missed this lesson in life.



It is okay to strive to be the best. It is also okay to believe that one is the best. Without this the world would never move forward and nothing would ever get better.



But to tattoo "I am the best" on your forehead and to stand on a ladder and look down upon the rest of us like a bunch of pee-ons is not okay.



I am pretty damn sure that you guys are kick butt at what you do, but there are plenty of others on here that feel like they do a pretty damn good job also. It is not too tough to go back through most of these posts in this thread and point out quite a few instances where humility was never in question.



I know, I know, you are just trying to give us lay folk information that is intended to help. But good god son, isn't there a way of getting this information to us without the "above-all" approach.



Maybe my mom just taught me a different way to go about things. I have a tough time even doing the click and brag thing because the name says it all "Brag"



I am just saying that there are a lot of us out here that enjoy this site and the information. A lot of people learn from you guys and even look up to you. But just because you are the best, doesn't mean you have to shout it over the mountain tops with your own vocal cords. The last time I checked, there wasn't exactly a shortage of praise for you guys.



So go ahead, you can hate on me. But just wanted to state the obvious.
 
Out of all this - there was one really great idea - someone (Ryan?) should do a video or at least a set of pics and instructions on using 105. That lame video on YouTube doesn't do much at all as far as instruction goes on 105.
 
JuneBug said:
Out of all this - there was one really great idea - someone (Ryan?) should do a video or at least a set of pics and instructions on using 105. That lame video on YouTube doesn't do much at all as far as instruction goes on 105.
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Anything for you buddy:bigups
 
Why is it that there is *no* photo documentation of this "reappearance" phenomenon?



EDIT: And now that I think about it more, why isn't there video documentation if there is *truly* the intention to teach. I see that some are quick to call into question the video that Charles posted up but at the same time aren't showing anything to back up their own claims.



To this date, I still haven't experienced any reappearance. I've used the Menzerna finishing polishes extensively on many cars including my own that *all* have soft paint.
 
Hey Spoiled, after 6400 posts if you still don't know what a polish looks like broken down why do I have to show you a video that shows you one? You haven't experienced the reappearance of sip because either A. You break it down correctly and work it the way it is intended(which I doubt with the statement you made) B. You don't check your work or use products that are designed to remove filling biproduct from polishes. (I'd say that's more like it)
 
VaSuperShine said:
Hey Spoiled, after 6400 posts if you still don't know what a polish looks like broken down why do I have to show you a video that shows you one? You haven't experienced the reappearance of sip because either A. You break it down correctly and work it the way it is intended(which I doubt with the statement you made) B. You don't check your work or use products that are designed to remove filling biproduct from polishes. (I'd say that's more like it)
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VaSuperShine,



You might want to start adjusting your attitude a little here. You've had a couple of timeouts in the past essentially for being rude and condescending, and you're not helping your cause any with the current tone of your posts.



Tort

(moderator)
 
Not being rude, just stating facts, if someone is under the impression that video shows sip being broken down completely they need to know better.
 
steck said:
ummm, okay thanks :think:
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He meant with "all the time you're going to save" I believe.



To Ryan and Todd-



This is so wierd, I thought of this a little while back, why were these micro abbrasions coming back (usually using a weak LSP like S100) just a few weeks later? Then on my next detail, I polished two sections with 106: 1) FULLY Broken down with a LC Blue and 2) What I used to think was broken down with an LC White. Both sections were done at 1500RPMS or less. The result is now that one half of the trunk looks no where nere as good as the other, even 9 months later. Same LSP, Z5.



Thanks for a great thread guys!
 
ok, let me repeat myself because it seems VaSuperShine does selective reading in posts. I increased the metering/exposure in the video to highlight the polish, that is why it doesn't look as translucent as he thinks it should. If it misleading I will adjust the exposure in future videos. Second you state that it takes 3-5 minutes to break down a polish...no matter what the conditions are?? So if that is true, it'll take the same amount of time to polish a 1'x1' area as it does to polish a 3'x3' area?





I understand that everyone has their own style, techniques and method and it's not cut and dry. You have to vary these criteria because every car/situation is different, I just showed what had worked for me for this given situation. If you read the heading on my video page you'd see my philosophy on polishing and detailing.





I have nothing to gain from this video and contrary to what you believe my site is not a commercial site, it's there to help the novice understand the detailing process a little better.







Hey, I'd love for you guys to do a video, I'll even edit and host it for you. The more videos the better...we can all learn from each other.





I'm sorry to the OP that this tread got way off topic.
 
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