are these TWO changing the face of detailing??

VaSuperShine said:
Not being rude, just stating facts, if someone is under the impression that video shows sip being broken down completely they need to know better.
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Um, yes, you were being rude (you pretty much implied a fellow Autopian was either ignorant or incompetent), and you were stating your opinion (however strongly held it may be).



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P.S. Two things go a long way toward fostering civil discussion on internet forums. First, realize that almost nothing you have to say is truly a "fact", it's your opinion. Approach it as such, throw in the occasional "IMO", and fewer people will jerk knees in response. Second, don't personally call someone out. If you have a problem, take it to PMs or e-mail. No one else wants to see your dirty laundry.
 
whitejavaS500 said:
He meant with "all the time you're going to save" I believe.



To Ryan and Todd-



This is so wierd, I thought of this a little while back, why were these micro abbrasions coming back (usually using a weak LSP like S100) just a few weeks later? Then on my next detail, I polished two sections with 106: 1) FULLY Broken down with a LC Blue and 2) What I used to think was broken down with an LC White. Both sections were done at 1500RPMS or less. The result is now that one half of the trunk looks no where nere as good as the other, even 9 months later. Same LSP, Z5.



Thanks for a great thread guys!
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Since this post is on topic with where the discussion is headed, I will respond. Yes, LC White Pads will abrade paint (they have mechanical action). The marring that they induce is ultra faint and super shallow in depth (from the pad manufactors I have spoken with). The carrier lubricants in most polishes will "stick" into the abrasion and certain polishes are very relucant to wipe off. I have been told by many people in the UK that 106ff uses a wax as lubricant, which may be very difficult to remove. This can act to mask pad abrasion and ultra fine swirl marks for a long time.



Use of a finishing pad that is non mechanical in action will act to microscopically burish the paint as well as greatly reduce the risk of microscopic pad abrasion and marring return.



It really is no suprise to me that you had these results as well as many of the detailers who use these products every day have pm'ed me similar experiences.
 
VaSuperShine said:
Not being rude, just stating facts, if someone is under the impression that video shows sip being broken down completely they need to know better.
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No, you were VERY rude! I've had enough of your tude. We don't need this kind of BS here.
 
Nah, two polishes are not goint to change it, there is far more to polishing than clay, prepsol and machine polishing



Theres alot of prep that I do in between the clay and the prepsol and prepsol to machine polishing

It equals a far higher, far slicker and better finish that never fades away
 
SpoiledMan said:
Why is it that there is *no* photo documentation of this "reappearance" phenomenon?



EDIT: And now that I think about it more, why isn't there video documentation if there is *truly* the intention to teach. I see that some are quick to call into question the video that Charles posted up but at the same time aren't showing anything to back up their own claims.



To this date, I still haven't experienced any reappearance. I've used the Menzerna finishing polishes extensively on many cars including my own that *all* have soft paint.
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Here is one of the first car's I noticed this reoccurance. This car was polished by me using SIP/106ff in August of last year. I am also the only one who washes this car, and always use straight line motions when washing. Here is the same area one month later (washed two times)



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I also have photo documentation on a G35 I posted on here several months ago, but I will need some time to find pictures when I get back to Orlando. (I may have them in photobucket).



But Chris, you point this out like there is a consipiracy. I don't doubt the quality of work you do, and I know you had mentioned that you work 106ff with a finishing pad, so I am curious as to why would call us out? I have nothing to gain (accept heartache) by offering my experience on a polish I use as much as anybody.



If you want to prove my point you can do a simple test (that three others who doubted me did and found the same results). Find a car with swirls, take 106ff and spin it over the paint at 1000 rpm for 10 seconds then wipe off. You will notice that most of the light marring is gone, and a significant improvement in the surface appearance. Now wipe with alcohol, you may or may not notice a degradation. Then wipe one to two times with prepsol and you will likely see a huge amount of defect reappearance.



IMO, this proves that 106 does have the ablitiy to mask defects and trick people into believeing the paint is corrected when it isn't. I will also say that the many times we have discussed 106ff, you have shared your technique with me and IME, you have perfect applicaiton of the product. You use finishing pads, great talent, and moderate rpms to burish paint to perfection. Perfect paint will never have nothing come back, but that is attribute to you and not necessarly the polish.



If 106ff is worked properly, then, IME, there will be nothing to come back. But is also has the ablity to hide micromarring and improper technique when not used properly. Discussing this further is really like beating a dead horse, IMO.
 
SVR said:
Nah, two polishes are not goint to change it, there is far more to polishing than clay, prepsol and machine polishing



Theres alot of prep that I do in between the clay and the prepsol and prepsol to machine polishing

It equals a far higher, far slicker and better finish that never fades away
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Please share, that is what these forums are about!
 
I think it was James Earl Jones that told Arnold in "Conan the Barbarian" - What is stronger than steel? The hand that welds it. In other words, what is a sword without the man that uses it. OK, you're thinking the ol Bug has been smokin weed, but hold on - my point is the big variable of the man - technique, speed, pressure etc. You factor that in, and what are the chances that any of us do polishing the exact same?
 
Somebody wisely said, "Choose your battles carefully". And this isn't one even in the upper 30 percentile worthy of emotional turmoil. I don't think anyway. As a novice when it comes to polishing/ buffing, etc (though I've been in related car biz for over 25 yrs) I find threads like this informative, but it's hard to sort thru when someone or someones get all riled up with their "opinion". And I agree JuneBug, there is more than one way to skin a cat, not that I would want to skin a cat, but I digress LOL
 
JuneBug said:
I think it was James Earl Jones that told Arnold in "Conan the Barbarian" - What is stronger than steel? The hand that welds it. In other words, what is a sword without the man that uses it. OK, you're thinking the ol Bug has been smokin weed, but hold on - my point is the big variable of the man - technique, speed, pressure etc. You factor that in, and what are the chances that any of us do polishing the exact same?
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That's kind of the point "ol bug"
 
jayjacque said:
Somebody wisely said, "Choose your battles carefully". And this isn't one even in the upper 30 percentile worthy of emotional turmoil. I don't think anyway. As a novice when it comes to polishing/ buffing, etc (though I've been in related car biz for over 25 yrs) I find threads like this informative, but it's hard to sort thru when someone or someones get all riled up with their "opinion". And I agree JuneBug, there is more than one way to skin a cat, not that I would want to skin a cat, but I digress LOL
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If this was catskinningtopia this would be very helpful. What I hope novices such as yourself get out of this thread is that there is either "breaking down" a polish and then there is "not breaking down" a polish, either you do or you don't there are no variables. Hope this helps.
 
JuneBug said:
I think it was James Earl Jones that told Arnold in "Conan the Barbarian" - What is stronger than steel? The hand that welds it. In other words, what is a sword without the man that uses it. OK, you're thinking the ol Bug has been smokin weed, but hold on - my point is the big variable of the man - technique, speed, pressure etc. You factor that in, and what are the chances that any of us do polishing the exact same?
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JB... you are quite right. Given a little practice, I can make most compounds and polishes work. Technique is more a part of the formula than the "formula".
 
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