A Peaceful Idea: The Product Brand Truce

Are you in for the Product Brand Truce?

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SilverLexus said:
I feel the same way Pat but without a truce we are destined to see more of these product wars and I feel pledging up to a truce is a very good way to address it.



I like the Zaino line a lot because of Z-8/CS and the glossy look but I use all sorts of products and try new carnaubas periodically. My plan is to cherry pick the top products.



I see a lot of threads get derailed here over brand loyalties and I think a truce will serve to keep things more open minded.
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I am totally confused what you mean by a "truce". As I stated earlier I didn't know that there was a war on this forum. Are people going to come to a table and sign something stating that they won't argue over products anymore??? Doubtful....



I just think that if folks quit all the mud slinging over products they haven't even tried and keep an open mind to things then this forum will become a much better environment. Just use whatever products make you happy and enjoy.



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Exatly, there needs to be no truce. Use what you want, how you want it, if others dont use it, dont cram it down their throat.



I use Zaino, like others, but I dont think it's the end-all of car care. I dont belive no brand is. Nothing makes me madder than when people say that Zaino is the best and that they never use anything but Zaino.



I voted "no truce". All Zaino "haters", shut up. All Zaino users (you know who you are) "shut up". Suggest products and take suggestions, dont try to tell anyone that Zaino is best in the world.
 
(QUOTE)I can't tell you how many times that I am at car shows or on some car forum when some guy spouts off about how he has 100 coats of Zaino on this car. I just roll my eyes and say yeah "and it also is swirled to ****". Some people just have no clue.(QUOTE)



"I wax my car every week". That sounds like your average Joe car guy to me whether they use Nufinish, TW, Megs, Duragloss or Zaino.
 
Yeah, agreed. I was at a local carshow and this guy was spouting how he only uses NXT spray wax. I walked over to his paint and said "what are those" (swirls).



It's just magnafied with Zaino b/c there are more of the users that think Zaino is GOD!
 
To prove the point further. I know a guy who restored a 67 Vette that took a trophy. He wipes down his Chevelle with QD at the shows and it has a good paint job with nice gloss. But get the car in direct sunlight and it's beyond swirls. The car is covered with straight line scratches. Either he doesn't notice or he doesn't really understand how to remove and prevent them.
 
SilverLexus said:
Scottwax,



Why are you not supporting a truce? I would have thought you would like this idea.
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Because I want to speak my mind. It really isn't the products anyway, it is the way some are pushed. I get tired of reading posts that sound like ad copy.
 
Ha, yeah, I belive that every brand is good in it's own right. I think that is the lesson that everyone needs to learn in this thread. No product is perfect, nor is any product line the best. Zaino or Turtle Wax, both have duds and both have keepers.
 
wannafbody said:
To prove the point further. I know a guy who restored a 67 Vette that took a trophy. He wipes down his Chevelle with QD at the shows and it has a good paint job with nice gloss. But get the car in direct sunlight and it's beyond swirls. The car is covered with straight line scratches. Either he doesn't notice or he doesn't really understand how to remove and prevent them.
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You should have seen the cars at the Peterson Automotive Museum in Los Angelos. Most of those cars have custom, completely orange peel free paint jobs totally destroyed with swirls. Some of the street rods there were absolutely beautiful with glass flat paint...and severe spider swirls. :hairpull
 
OK, before I got into detailing, I was into lawn care and Lawnsite.com is the Autopia for all things related to the biz. There was this kid that I and a lot of others liked, because of his spirit and working and keeping a high GPA in school too. Anyway, whenever the kid got a new or different mower, weed wacker, etc - IT WAS THE BEST!! Like a puppy that discovered barking! Kinda funny and really harmless. BUT, this isn't about someone discovering a new miracle wax, this is about people pushing products. IF I want that crap I'll go to Autogeek forum and whatever needs to get cleared out of PBMA will be the soup of the day wonder goo that will shine your car and give you 50% better gas milage and super models will fight over you. All complete will shills doing their best Billy Mays.
 
Scottwax said:
You should have seen the cars at the Peterson Automotive Museum in Los Angelos. Most of those cars have custom, completely orange peel free paint jobs totally destroyed with swirls. Some of the street rods there were absolutely beautiful with glass flat paint...and severe spider swirls. :hairpull
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Funny that you should mention this. I was at a classic car show and most, if not all were swirled up pretty bad. I had gently asked one of them if they have anyone to help keep their paint good and suggested that I could get rid of the swirls to make their baby shine. And again, I was extremely gentle. His answer was that theyre classic cars that have to match perfectly to the original specs and that the paint came that way. :) I just gave him my card and said if he's interesed, bring his DD by some day. I find it funny that people will put so much effort into these show cars, right down to having the 'right' gear shift knob, or the right stitching, or even the proper placement for a headlight. But they seem to ignore making the most visable part of thier custom, look great.



Anyhow...screw the truce, I just wanna fight. :):) In all honesty, I dont see the need to label a change in how we act. Id rather just change how I respond to other peoples posts. I just don't want to have my tongue tied tho...the freedom to speak our mind is one of our greatest rights.
 
I just think that if folks quit all the mud slinging over products they haven't even tried and keep an open mind to things then this forum will become a much better environment. Just use whatever products make you happy and enjoy.



Great post pat.

Remember my thread on keeping an open mind, some here have closed minds and thus can miss out on a great number of killer products. You gotta keep moving forward.

Thanks SL for this thread, while a truce would be nice, I don't think it's going to happen

I value every word you type my fellow autopian.



As long as people post their honest opinions/reviews of a product and back it up with a good pic of the result, then all should be dandy.



Thanks to you all, I have found and use a heap of products we talk about every day and I hope that in my time here, I have not stated that a particular brand is better than this one or is the best. prima swirl for instance may be better than menzerna for tough swirl removal on one vehicle but menzerna beats prima on another one.

So I just stock every great brand I can. My goal is to not say this brand is king

If one is, it won't always be.



As it states in the bible (basic instructions before leaving earth) a king lasted so many decades in israel then another replaced him and was better than whom he replaced.



Since 02, I have bought and tested over sixty five brands of products and only two brands failed the test. I test every product on every surface of a car (got plenty of guinea pigs in my shop) and find a way to use them. I continue to develop new techniques such as machine polishing of exterior trims with heat reactive non abrasive products I've formulated.

Once I have found a product that does a better job than what I was using, the old one gets used up and never purchased again or used for one or two different surfaces. Clearkote is one example that no longer gets used on paint but still is a vital product on other surfaces.



A few years ago I added some honest reviews of products on another forum and the members thought every one of them was biased because I sold products at that time

Many of the reviews were of products I did not sell as others had the distribution rights.

Just because I did then and will do so in the future does not mean that my reviews are biased and purely to sell product.

I add reviews and my opinion of products so that fellow members knowledge of detailing will grow higher.



Here's what I use these few products for and why they are so good in my hands.



Prima - polishes are great for deep cleansing and polishing of paint for fresh off the gun appearance. Can be used with any pad, wool or foam from black edge to blue LC

- swirl is fantastic on cleared and SS reds and able to give a clarity that is amazing from a 1500 grit polish

- Hydro - fast, hides holograms, gives windows a great wet look.



Menzerna - My favourite polishes. IP 91L and 85RD are so versatile and if your in a hurry, can use with a orange or white pad and have the surface LSP ready.

- 106FF is the answer to light and heavily swirled subaru WRX vehicles (soft paint)

Aussie Gold - showroom glaze. in my eyes the world's best quick detailer, spray sealant and window cleaner and polish

- this liquid product's ability to extend working time of polishes, stop polish from dusting, remove light swirls, soften microfibre, make paint slicker than any other QD on the planet , remove white stains on exterior trims and side mirror plastics (from bad shampoo's) with just a spray and wipe, be used by machine to enhance depth of clearcoat and colour richness without removing any paint and last six months on it's own makes it the best product I've ever bought.



Carlack 68 - plastic care is my favourite for prepping tyres for sonus and wolfgang tire gels (for longer durability) , polishing and protecting some unpolishable textured trims and give a satin finish with a dry touch on interiors.



Sonus - SFX range of polishes do the job on painted plastic and when the others don't work on a particular vehicle. I've added glycerin to version 1 SFX polishes for longer working time as version 1 SFX 2 and SFX 3 are better sometimes than Version 2

- SFX 3can be used on unpainted urethane exterior trims in combination with trim dream for more gloss than with trim dream on it's own

- DAS PADS. The old flat pads and the swirlbuster orange are sensational pads that for some reason spread the polishes better than the flat lake country's



Duragloss - 601 PBA. Miracle in a bottle. I use it to lubricate dry paint which the machine doesn't want to glide across. Enhances colour richness of paint. In combination with driven to perfection polish and four star paint cleanser by hand, the results after machine polishing of paint can be awesome on many cars. It also gets applied to paint by machine before some polishes so that
 
Scottwax said:
You should have seen the cars at the Peterson Automotive Museum in Los Angelos. Most of those cars have custom, completely orange peel free paint jobs totally destroyed with swirls. Some of the street rods there were absolutely beautiful with glass flat paint...and severe spider swirls. :hairpull
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....and it's the same no matter what exhibit is in there INCLUDING those by Mr Foose!
 
Setec Astronomy said:
You tried this once before: http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...be-we-need-product-truce.html?highlight=truce. You may see these attempts at "peace in our time" but some of us see it as simply you wanting to practice zealotry without any interference. You even got banned from here once for your previous religion.
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I believe this statement bears repeating...



OT: Zaino is beginning to remind me of Scientology. One bad statement about the belief system, and wham! The attacks ensue!
 
wannafbody said:
OK, so the guy is a little excited and posts his opinion. Why are you raining on his parade? Go to megsonline and you can find the same type of posts about NXT and M21. I think there was a multipage thread here praising Megs Ultimate QD.:nixweiss
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What do you expect with a Meguiars specific forum?



I think the point he is making is that many car forums are so single product biased that they can shout down the minority who use something else.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Good learning, such as "4. Both CS and Z-8 work well on silver door jambs."? The reason you started this poll/thread is because you got your feelings hurt in the other thread for nuggets such as the above. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.



You tried this once before: http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...be-we-need-product-truce.html?highlight=truce. You may see these attempts at "peace in our time" but some of us see it as simply you wanting to practice zealotry without any interference. You even got banned from here once for your previous religion.





EDIT: Although I disagree with Scott that the other was a shill thread, it was more of you looking for approval than providing "good learning".
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We don't see eye to eye on somethings but I have to totally agree with you...
 
I don't understand why members are opposed to this good faith gesture on my part.



A truce by nature is neutral. It works for and against Zaino, Ultima, Optima the same way. There are no favorites.



There are several incorrect statements in this thread.



1. Not all or even most Zaino users think Zaino is the only product. I personally keep trying new things which is why I got a sample kit of UPGP coming. I will test that on my car to see how it stacks up in gloss and durability. You try things and you keep the best. Right now Zaino is king of the hill.



2. There are lots of other good products other than Zaino. I don't know of a single Zaino user who does not use another line.



3. I did post this before but recent discussions made me think about the idea again. This shows I care about the community. After the hostile environment shown here tonight to a good faith effort that view is diminished a bit sadly.



4. Process is critically important but product matters as well. Most of us with experience have reached a high level of polishing and general skills so the product can make a difference as well. This hobby is cheap compared to others so getting the best out of all the hard work involved from 3-4 layers of polishing is not a major expense. If the Zymol Estate Glazes actually looked better than Souveran then I might save up and buy some. Fortunately they don't in my testing.



I think people are taking this stuff far too seriously. You have to relax and just go by your own performance.



All I asked is that people pledge to be neutral on brands. That's all.
 
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