Zymol Vintage and Royale

KneeDragr said:
Id have to be worth over 100M to spend that amount of coin on a wax. I felt guilty when I picked up Pete's 53 for $27 plus shipping, or P21s Concourse for about the same amount.
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Hey I wouldn't spend $20,000 a night on a hooker either but the guys who have swear by it. LOL (YMMV) (Disclaimer, I've never spent any money on a hooker.)



Autopians have a passion for shiny cars. Spending money on your passion is a good thing. I really don't think $1,500 is a lot of money to spend on your passion.



I had F1 brake fluid in my ///M5. Now everyone said I was insane spending $100 a Litre on brke fluid. When they can get brake fluid for $3 a litre.



But the thing is, you only need 1 litre. So its no longer 33 times the money. It's just $100. And from what I hear, you get such a large chunk of wax that it works back to like $200 of normal size jar. So really its not that expensive. When your worth $100M, you buy the Wax and they through in the Ferrari. : )



Regards MJ.
 
Mirror said:
It has always been my experience in life that cheaper is NEVER better. On the flip side, I have usually found that the most expensive one, is usually the best one. Not 100% always, but often enough to convince me.
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You just contradicted yourself.
 
I usually always stay out of the monthly Zymol Vintage/Royale threads, as they usually deteriorate into "Why would people spend...?", "It can't be worth the price....", "I can't see any difference...." shouting matches. But anyway...



I've been a Vintage owner for about four years. I've tried a ton of LSP's, sealants and waxes alike. Do I like Vintage? Hell yes I do. Properly spit shined, it's the best looking 'nuba I've ever used. Is it the perfect LSP? Far from it. Sure, it looks good, and has very good ease-of-cleaning properties, but the durability sucks, and it's not exactly the easiest to use. It must be cured *just right* before you remove the residue, or you'll never get the look from it you want. It can also out gas for quite a while afterwards if you don't spit shine it correctly. Yeah, it can be a PITA. Is it right for everyone? No. Is it right for certain people/certain cars? Yup. Worth the price of admission? If you have to ask, then no, it's not... *FOR YOU*. But just because someone wants to drop their hard earned coin on it, doesn't make them a fool; their money, their choice as to how to spend it.



As to those that have tried it, and didn't like the look, the chances are very good that you didn't use it correctly. There is quite a learning curve to using it correctly. I've spent more time on this subject in PM's with people than I'd care to admit, so no, I'm not gonna PM you back and forth a bunch of times til you get it right. Sorry... been there/done that.



And so the same old tired arguments continue... "does a Rolex tell time better than a Timex?", "Is a Ferrari better than a Corvette?", "Is a Rolls better than a Chevy?", And of course, "Is Vintage/Royale better than Turtle Wax?"



The price to performance ratio of *any* product is decided by the person making the purchase. It is up to that person, and that person only, to decide if they got value for their purchase.
 
Price-wise there's no doubt it's cheaper than most of their waxes.



Have a look... 22oz for 2200$ that's actually 100$ / oz.



Take zymol atlantique 1300/8oz Swissvax divine, crystal rock all higher than 1000$ and do they come with refills ? Nope..



So.. take vintage, sell half of the jar for like 500$ ( that's still a good deal IMO and it should sell) your done to 1700 for 11oz. Charge your customer 30$ more per application, put the magnifique box on your shelf so everyone can see it.. and comes next year, ask for a refill... resell half of it.. your down to like 1200$ - the money you made with your cost per application at your business.



I feel like. after 2-3 years, if you use it right, the wax will only have cost you about 500$. Hell, it's still expensive for most, but see, I own mystery,crystal rock, fuzion and a couple others.. for me, I would pay anytime of the year 500$ to have 22oz and a sick jar refillable of vintage.
 
Alfisti said:
You just contradicted yourself.
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Thanks for that valueable contribution. Would it make you happy if I had said that the CHEAPEST is never the Best. But the most expensive usually is, most of the time, seeing as though there are usually more thn TWO prices to compare, other than the bottom and top one. Ever heard of the The middle, or second most expensive being as good as the most expensive. Both being light years ahead of the Cheapest?



Hang off every word and make valueable contributions. Good Job.
 
SuperBee364 said:
I usually always stay out of the monthly Zymol Vintage/Royale threads, as they usually deteriorate into "Why would people spend...?", "It can't be worth the price....", "I can't see any difference...." shouting matches. But anyway...



I've been a Vintage owner for about four years. I've tried a ton of LSP's, sealants and waxes alike. Do I like Vintage? Hell yes I do. Properly spit shined, it's the best looking 'nuba I've ever used. Is it the perfect LSP? Far from it. Sure, it looks good, and has very good ease-of-cleaning properties, but the durability sucks, and it's not exactly the easiest to use. It must be cured *just right* before you remove the residue, or you'll never get the look from it you want. It can also out gas for quite a while afterwards if you don't spit shine it correctly. Yeah, it can be a PITA. Is it right for everyone? No. Is it right for certain people/certain cars? Yup. Worth the price of admission? If you have to ask, then no, it's not... *FOR YOU*. But just because someone wants to drop their hard earned coin on it, doesn't make them a fool; their money, their choice as to how to spend it.



As to those that have tried it, and didn't like the look, the chances are very good that you didn't use it correctly. There is quite a learning curve to using it correctly. I've spent more time on this subject in PM's with people than I'd care to admit, so no, I'm not gonna PM you back and forth a bunch of times til you get it right. Sorry... been there/done that.



And so the same old tired arguments continue... "does a Rolex tell time better than a Timex?", "Is a Ferrari better than a Corvette?", "Is a Rolls better than a Chevy?", And of course, "Is Vintage/Royale better than Turtle Wax?"



The price to performance ratio of *any* product is decided by the person making the purchase. It is up to that person, and that person only, to decide if they got value for their purchase.
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Now that was a valueable contribution. I agree.
 
I had the opportunity to view a car finished with Vintage at the weekend, the member is actually on here and is very skilled within detailing.



He had some raceglaze black label, crystal rock and vintage amoungst others.



So, vintage was the only wax on the car which promoted the natural paint colour, this car has a slight purple hue to the paintwork which wasn't visible through the sealant like crystal rock, or the black label.



I would go out on a leg here and say this is one of the only waxes, tested around 25, in my 10 years as a serious detailer that has ever produced a protection finish which promotes the natural hues of the paintwork, maybe there is some clever marketing but this wax does something nothing else I have ever seen does. Now if no other product IMHO produces this finish that Vintage can, how do you price this ? There isn't another wax which I have tested or seen which offers this, however, I am currently waiting on a wax smartwax concours and would also like to buy souvern.



I estimate I have spend around c£500 on these waxes to find one which is similar to Vintage so the argument is I should have bought Vintage in the first place.
 
I heard the owner of victoria used to work at zymol...



I just bought zymol concours and glasur. I used chaos, collector and red concours from vic. I want to know if they are the same :P



I have a feeling chaos and glasur might look very similar!
 
JJ_ said:
I estimate I have spend around c£500 on these waxes to find one which is similar to Vintage so the argument is I should have bought Vintage in the first place.
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That is an excellent arguement. My father in law is a tight A$$. He has plenty of money. Yet he constantly looks at a quality product, and then purchases a much cheaper one. Only to have the cheaper one fail. He then buys another cheaper one, that also fails.



Everytime he spends more money on the cheap ones and ends up with nothing workable. He would have saved money and still had a quality working product, if he had of bought the Quality one first.



He may not be able to learn from his misatkes, But I can. I don't insist on making every mistake myself. I can learn from others. :jaw:



JJ I was waiting for someone to talk about why Vinatge is so good. You know I will buy it now right? :hifive:
 
Alfisti said:
Have you tried any of the Victorias?
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Yes I have tried concours and mayhem.



I also have tried smartwax concours which has similar ingredients to destiny, however, it has a strong solvent smell.



I would argue till the cows come home that vintage gives you a look that no other wax in my opinion has ever matched. This wax promotes the hues of paint which other waxes do not achieve.



How it does it ? If i knew that I would be a millionaire !



It's a wax that if you can get a sample of it is well worth a go, I admit it is extremely expensive and I personally feel it is overpriced. My question is how do you price an item that no other product can reproduce. It even lasts quite a long time, reports of 2 years from garage queens from a friend.



It's just tremendous.
 
I think Vic Concours is extremely good for the money, not much can offer what it does at that price.



It gives a nice buttery wet finish, I had it on my Boxster for a few months a more reflective wax than glasur. It really is hard to beat at the price, Vic Concours is certainly one that stands out for me.
 
What other wax can you compare it to as far as looks go? You said "reflective" - is that like P21S looks-wise? Thanks for the feedback.
 
I only have one experience with Zymol's Royale, but I can report that is was quite pleasant and it looked outstanding.



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Only having used it once, on one type of finish, on one color, its hard to compare to other products I'm more familiar with.
 
Alfisti said:
What other wax can you compare it to as far as looks go? You said "reflective" - is that like P21S looks-wise? Thanks for the feedback.
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I would say Zymol Vintage is like #7 meguiars glaze where it illuminates the bodywork, it allows hue's of paint to come through which I have never seen replicated by the 24 waxes I have personally tried.



Zymol Vintage also sheets water and beads differently than most waxes IMHO



The paint looks wetter, deeper and promotes colour transparency - how it promotes the hue's I have NO idea. The only way I have been able to replicate this is to glaze my car with meguiars #7 continually.



Looks wise it may be similar to P21s but it has more substance and certainly lasts longer. It is slightly more wet than Vic Concours and deeper too.
 
Alfisti said:
I 'get' the #7 analogy. Never heard it described that way but easily to visualise. Thanks.
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Thats the easiest way to describe it, it seems no other wax company has thought of this. Suppose it makes sense if their waxes are known as estate glazes!
 
MarcHarris said:
I only have one experience with Zymol's Royale, but I can report that is was quite pleasant and it looked outstanding.



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Only having used it once, on one type of finish, on one color, its hard to compare to other products I'm more familiar with.
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" Baller Status "
 
JJ_



Having used #7 for over 2 decades I also get what you are saying.



Q1: Prior to using Zymol Vintage do you final prep with Zymol's HD_Cleanse? If not then what do you use?



Q2: You have used quite a few high end waxes. Which of them are you favorite 4 or 5 based on looks? (ex...gloss, richness, darkening or lightening affect, color enhancement, amount of beads...)
 
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