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Zaino is a lovely product. It really rewards you after all the hard work that you do in the correction phases. 1000P has become another favorite of mine. Is Zaino King? Well, if not, its certainly Queen, Jack or an Ace.
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Zaino still king? Looking for options?
- Thread starter armoredsaint
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David Fermani said:Me too until I tried it! I really like it and think it's a very unique product. I can't wait to use up all the sealants I have to concentrate on using it more. Plus Sal is a great guy to speak with.
David
I have also thought the same thing so I have been using sealants mainly just to get rid of them. I really like the look of Z5, Z2 and Z8, all are very user friendly and you can layer with the ZFX. I will say Opti-Seal does rival the look so far.
Jason
armoredsaint
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zaxjax said:David
I have also thought the same thing so I have been using sealants mainly just to get rid of them. I really like the look of Z5, Z2 and Z8, all are very user friendly and you can layer with the ZFX. I will say Opti-Seal does rival the look so far.
Jason
if i decide not to use the ZFX when layering with either Z-2 or Z-5, how long will i have to wait between layers?
armoredsaintt said:that sounds interesting, where can i buy this? i've always been a fan of Klasse products.
WERKSTAT: advancing the technology of automotive detailing
armoredsaintt said:I'm confused with Werkstat, do I get the Prime, Prime:Acrylic or Prime:Strong as my base foundation on a new car?
The answer to this question is, it depends on what you want. (yeah, I know, really helpful aren't I).
Werstat Prime is your classic AIO similar to Klasse AIO. It cleans the paint, it is a polishes the paint w/o abrasives, and it puts down a base of Acrylic Polymers to top with Acrylic Jett or Acrylic Jett Trigger.
Prime: Acrylic would be considered at Cleaner Sealant (as opposed to a cleaner wax). It will clean the paint pretty well and put down a pretty good sealant protection - not as good as Prime plus Acrylic Jett but enough that you should feel comfortable that the paint is being protected for a few months. A professional detailer would love this product for customers who only want a wash and wax/seal. With this product, the paint will be cleaned while the sealant is being applied. Another option for this product is to use it as your base. By using this to clean the paint and then topped with Jett or Jett Trigger, you basically have two layers of protection on the paint.
Prime: Strong is basically Prime with some very light abrasives in it. If you want to apply Werkstat on your car but want some light polishing to give the gloss a kickstart, this is a good option. I just did this over the weekend. My car went all winter (since October) and Acrylic Jett held up like a champ but I decided to reapply AJ. I used Prime Strong first just to give the gloss and wetness a boost.
armoredsaintt said:As for the LSP, do you prefer Acrylic Jett or Acrylic Jett: Trigger?
I bought AJ because I just couldn't believe Trigger would be as durable as AJ. However, after reading the numerous people who have used both and insist Trigger is just as durabel, my next purchase will be Trigger. Sooooo much easier to apply.
armoredsaintt said:And for a QD, I assume the Acrylic Glos?
If you want a QD for cleaning and want to stick with the Werkstat line, Werkstat Quick Wash would be a better option. You can also use other QD's too, you don't HAVE to use Werkstat's but is it pretty reasonably priced and is pretty nice. If you want a QD for giving the paint a little boost, Acrylic Glos will be fine or if you want to try others such as Finish Kare 425, Optimum Instant Detailer, ClearKote QuickShine, Duragloss's Aquawax, Zaino's Z-8 (yes I know the last two are technically spray sealants not QD's but they provide similar nice looks).
armoredsaintt said:if i decide not to use the ZFX when layering with either Z-2 or Z-5, how long will i have to wait between layers?
I think you want to wait atleast 12 hours.
armoredsaint
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Thanks for everyone's help and advice- I ended up ordering almost all of the Zaino line-up :woot2:
I will say Sal Zaino was FAST in answering all my tech questions via email!
I will say Sal Zaino was FAST in answering all my tech questions via email!
kwsmithphoto
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After much research, I wound up buying Werkstat Prime Strong and Acrylic Jett for my Mazdaspeed3. The car is parked on the street near the beach in LA, so I went with the prime strong for maximum cleaning and protection.
The car was delivered washed and waxed, but had sat on the lot for several months and had some grit embedded in the surface. So I clay'd it. "Oh, so that's what the paint actually looks like!" So far so good.
Prime is very easy to use if you RTFM. If you use too much, enjoy your workout! I, of course, used too much, but when I was done my thoughts were "Oh, that's better than what the paint really looks like."
After 30 minutes I applied a thin layer of Acrylic Jett. Holy crap. The car got brighter and the metallic really popped. Wiped it down the next day and did another pass. Better. Wiped it down a few hours later (their instructions say 30 minutes is enough), and did another pass (it's easy to use). Slight improvement. Later that day I did yet another pass and it looked the same - great! Better than factory, it's truly a paint enhancer not just a sealant. 3-4 layers are perfectly sufficient.
Then I topped it off with some tan bottle Meguiar's "carnuba" something or other I had lying around. Oooh, I liked it. The Werkstat stuff doesn't need a wax for protection, and if you want a nice bright look, you can easily live without it. But because the car is a dark color, the wax just made it look better in every way. Darkened up a bit and contours were revealed better.
A month later (today) I found an un-opened tin of Blitz wax that was in a box for a few years. I wax my car every month anyway, so I went for it. Took it to a self-wash to get the old wax off, without starting from scratch, then drove it wet to a commercial hand wash place I like. I hit it with their freakin' tire cleaner on the paint and the water just kept beading. The wax was gone no doubt, but the Werkstat stuff underneath just wasn't phased by the powerful detergent. And while watching the car go through the strong detergents the commercial shop uses, and it was STILL beading after the rinse, I was stunned.
The Werstat stuff just clings like nothing I've ever seen before.
Awesome product. I sprayed another layer of Jett, waited half an hour, then applied two thin coats of Blitz. The finish leaped from Mazda quality to BMW quality. It just glows, with a wet mirror finish and no metallic muting at all.
So ya, I guess you could say I'm a big fan of those two particular Werkstat products. Haven't tried any of ther other stuff though, and can't think of any reason to since I'm happy with I already have, and money's tight.
Anyway, I'm now a VERY big fan of acrylic polish and sealant under a quality carnuba. Tried and true meets brand new, and it works. Everything is reasonably priced, they deliver them quickly, they're easy to use (I do everything by hand), and is extremely durable.
This is soooo much better than the old days of just using various polishing compounds, glazes, and mystery waxes! Assuming I stay on schedule, weekly hand wash, monthly commercial hand wash (I don't do vacuums), monthly waxing, quarterly treatments of Werkstat Prime Strong and a few layers of Jett, followed by a quality carnuba, I expect my new car to glimmer and glow for many years to come, even though it's parked on the street in Los Angeles.
The car was delivered washed and waxed, but had sat on the lot for several months and had some grit embedded in the surface. So I clay'd it. "Oh, so that's what the paint actually looks like!" So far so good.
Prime is very easy to use if you RTFM. If you use too much, enjoy your workout! I, of course, used too much, but when I was done my thoughts were "Oh, that's better than what the paint really looks like."
After 30 minutes I applied a thin layer of Acrylic Jett. Holy crap. The car got brighter and the metallic really popped. Wiped it down the next day and did another pass. Better. Wiped it down a few hours later (their instructions say 30 minutes is enough), and did another pass (it's easy to use). Slight improvement. Later that day I did yet another pass and it looked the same - great! Better than factory, it's truly a paint enhancer not just a sealant. 3-4 layers are perfectly sufficient.
Then I topped it off with some tan bottle Meguiar's "carnuba" something or other I had lying around. Oooh, I liked it. The Werkstat stuff doesn't need a wax for protection, and if you want a nice bright look, you can easily live without it. But because the car is a dark color, the wax just made it look better in every way. Darkened up a bit and contours were revealed better.
A month later (today) I found an un-opened tin of Blitz wax that was in a box for a few years. I wax my car every month anyway, so I went for it. Took it to a self-wash to get the old wax off, without starting from scratch, then drove it wet to a commercial hand wash place I like. I hit it with their freakin' tire cleaner on the paint and the water just kept beading. The wax was gone no doubt, but the Werkstat stuff underneath just wasn't phased by the powerful detergent. And while watching the car go through the strong detergents the commercial shop uses, and it was STILL beading after the rinse, I was stunned.
The Werstat stuff just clings like nothing I've ever seen before.
Awesome product. I sprayed another layer of Jett, waited half an hour, then applied two thin coats of Blitz. The finish leaped from Mazda quality to BMW quality. It just glows, with a wet mirror finish and no metallic muting at all.
So ya, I guess you could say I'm a big fan of those two particular Werkstat products. Haven't tried any of ther other stuff though, and can't think of any reason to since I'm happy with I already have, and money's tight.
Anyway, I'm now a VERY big fan of acrylic polish and sealant under a quality carnuba. Tried and true meets brand new, and it works. Everything is reasonably priced, they deliver them quickly, they're easy to use (I do everything by hand), and is extremely durable.
This is soooo much better than the old days of just using various polishing compounds, glazes, and mystery waxes! Assuming I stay on schedule, weekly hand wash, monthly commercial hand wash (I don't do vacuums), monthly waxing, quarterly treatments of Werkstat Prime Strong and a few layers of Jett, followed by a quality carnuba, I expect my new car to glimmer and glow for many years to come, even though it's parked on the street in Los Angeles.