Zaino or FK-P1000 or Collinite 426s

[Harry Houdini]

Thanks guys



Superbee,

totally agree with you. This is the reason why I will be using PinkWax to top the P1000

as the PW has carnauba in it which has better protection;

Should I be concerned for the base coat of 2180 and P1000 durability when

I top with caranuba?

if the answer is no to the above, what about if I use Swissvax Concorso to top the 2180/P1000 Combo?



cgage

hehe good question but does that means people who live in city of London in the UK in town homes are worst than anyone else?

main house is in Maryland but this house is more convenient for us for work ect since it is

near Wash D.C area; hence how come I have Maryland plates when I am living currently in Virginia? Maryland has no tax's for cars ...

 

[SuperBee364]

How bout' an even better suprise, let your car get really dirty and after 3 weeks of grime, do a touchless wash. How different does your vehicle look? Probably not alot.

With a good layer of a quality carnauba, I'd bet sparkling clean.

Your example just points out how inefficient a touchless wash is. Personally, I hope I never get to the point where I am too lazy, bored or loose the satisfaction received by washing my vehicles properly and with attention to detail. Not trying to be sarcastic but this complete cleansing etiology about self-cleaning waxy carnauba is completely opposite from my experiences when i using such products for over 35 years.

But as we know, experiences are many and none should be discounted.

Wow, did I post something to offend you guys? Holy cow, is this kind of crap necessary?



As far as being lazy, that's not what my touchless technique is about. It's about reducing the potential for marring the paint of my car. Take your laziness elsewhere. Using *no* wash media at all is *the very best way* to prevent marring.



Obviously, these types of posts by NSXTASY and blkZ28Conv are not meant to add any substance to a discussion, they are simply meant to inflame and anger. Congrats, guys, you did a great job.



I'm done here.

 

[cgage]

Thanks guys

cgage

hehe good question but does that means people who live in city of London in the UK in town homes are worst than anyone else?

main house is in Maryland but this house is more convenient for us for work ect since it is

near Wash D.C area...

No I am not saying that it's worse at all. I was just curious, where I live the sticker on that car could buy you a 2000 sq ft home in a nice neighborhood I travel quite a bit for work and tend to find that the nice car / townhome combo is prevelent in Canada.



I'll get back on topic now. I have never used any of your choices, I say flip a three sided coin. From what i have read, they are all good. Better yet do a half and half on the top two and post a write up in spring.

 

[Harry Houdini]

well a town home in this area can buy you 10000sq in ur area lol!

gosh reminded me of house values are getting cheap like dirt

allot of people around here are for-closing their homes because they can't pay

the raising interst cost and property tax which is rediclous in this area, this town home

property tax is $8000 a year.

 

[imported_memnuts]

With a good layer of a quality carnauba, I'd bet sparkling clean.







Wow, did I post something to offend you guys? Holy cow, is this kind of crap necessary?



As far as being lazy, that's not what my touchless technique is about. It's about reducing the potential for marring the paint of my car. Take your laziness elsewhere. Using *no* wash media at all is *the very best way* to prevent marring.



Obviously, these types of posts by NSXTASY and blkZ28Conv are not meant to add any substance to a discussion, they are simply meant to inflame and anger. Congrats, guys, you did a great job.



I'm done here.

Wow.:cooleek:

Sorry I can't quite swallow your durability vs protection statements. The science and reality just does not jive with "my" experiences.



I guess my experiences with wax and sealant usage and experiences is argumentative because they do not match yours.:nixweiss



In terms of touchless washing, I apologize because "this old man" only views such usage as an avoidance to actually washing a vehicle. In your case your usage is too avoid surface marring.







We do agree on one thing. Most paint damage is "self-induced".:up

 

[Harry Houdini]

Super don't go~! this is a discussion guys and there is no loyalty going on here

to any brand, unless u r getting free goodies please let us know so we can do the same



Superbee, can you please advice on my question beginning of the page?

anyone's else opinion is also welcomed for the good of all

 

[NSXTASY]

Thanks guys

Should I be concerned for the base coat of 2180 and P1000 durability when

I top with caranuba?

if the answer is no to the above, what about if I use Swissvax Concorso to top the 2180/P1000 Combo?

I wouldnt be, PW also has polymers in addition to carnuaba content, so I would say your fine adding layers of PW over top. Not to mention, PW has great protection and durability of its own so if it were by some chance to compromise the base layers I wouldnt be worried.



Oops, I didnt see the second part, you should be fine adding Concorso on top, as long as you dont plan on adding anymore 2180 (you wont need to), however, Im not versed in concorso's winter protection abilities.

 

[SuperBee364]

Wow.:cooleek:

Sorry I can't quite swallow your durability vs protection statements. The science and reality just does jive from "my" experiences.



I guess my experiences with wax and sealant usage and experiences is argumentative because they do not match yours.:nixweiss



In terms of touchless washing, I apologize because "this old man" only views such usage as an avoidance to actually washing a vehicle. In your case your usage is too avoid surface marring.







We do agree on one thing. Most paint damage is "self-induced".:up

I have *no problem* with rational discussions on opposing points of view. I do, however, have a huge problem when such discussion turns toward posts that don't further either side's position, and are only posted with intent to piss off others. Justify it however you want, but your post was very inflammatory, not called for, and in no way served to further your position on the subject.



If your observations/experiences/opinions/knowledge differ from my own, that's just peachy; that's the way the world should be, and serves as it's own set of checks-and-balances in the grand scheme of things.



Guess I'm not done here after all.

 

[SuperBee364]

Super don't go~! this is a discussion guys and there is no loyalty going on here

to any brand, unless u r getting free goodies please let us know so we can do the same



Superbee, can you please advice on my question beginning of the page?

anyone's else opinion is also welcomed for the good of all

Harry, I hope I can do this without inciting a riot. Sheesh, I seem to be good at doing that without even trying...



I would heap on the Collinite IW once now, and once again around the end of December. I would start with a *completely* bare clear coat. No glaze, nothing but freshly IPA'd clear coat. But again, *that's just my opinion*, and *opposing points of view are welcome.*

 

[Harry Houdini]

I wouldnt be, PW also has polymers in addition to carnuaba content, so I would say your fine adding layers of PW over top. Not to mention, PW has great protection and durability of its own so if it were by some chance to compromise the base layers I wouldnt be worried.



Oops, I didnt see the second part, you should be fine adding Concorso on top, as long as you dont plan on adding anymore 2180 (you wont need to), however, Im not versed in concorso's winter protection abilities.

makes lots of sense regarding the PW, for the harsh winter, I will be using PW every 2 months starting this weekend.

Should I apply a second coat of P1000 before starting the PW

madness?



Superbee,

I know from previous threads of yours, your going carnauba full blast this winter with

vintage, still correct? Your future posts regarding vintage in the snowy months will be priceless!

 

[NSXTASY]

makes lots of sense regarding the PW, for the harsh winter, I will be using PW every 2 months starting this weekend.

Should I apply a second coat of P1000 before starting the PW

madness?



Superbee,

I know from previous threads of yours, your going carnauba full blast this winter with

vintage, still correct? Your future posts regarding vintage in the snowy months will be priceless!

Another coat of 1000 wouldnt hurt, I like at least 2 coats, if you like the look of 1000 better, I dont see an issue with adding 1000 over the winter. But I think you said in an earlier post you wanted to use PW because you haven't had a chance to yet, correct? In that case, PW away!



Oh, and post more pics once the 1000P/PW is on! Are you keeping those wheels on thru the winter?!



:2thumbs:

 

[Harry Houdini]

Another coat of 1000 wouldnt hurt, I like at least 2 coats, if you like the look of 1000 better, I dont see an issue with adding 1000 over the winter. But I think you said in an earlier post you wanted to use PW because you haven't had a chance to yet, correct? In that case, PW away!



Oh, and post more pics once the 1000P/PW is on! Are you keeping those wheels on thru the winter?!



:2thumbs:

I have the stuck wheels in the garage, but I am really feeling lazy to switch

and I would not take the car out in the snow anyways since I have an X5 on stand by.

I made sure I covered every thing in the car with the 2180 / P1000, so I am not worried

about coverage and to be honest I only see difference when layering a sealant only with

Collinite 476s, maybe because it is a really think sealant?



PW away it is :xyxthumbs

 

[SilverLexus]

You need to differentiate between "Protection" and "Durability". They are two totally different things.



"Protection" being an LSP's ability to prevent anything from penetrating it and causing damage or adhesion to the clear coat.



"Durability" being an LSP's ability to simply remain on the clear coat for a period of time.



One is not inclusive of the other.



An LSP can have great Protection, and very limited durability. Alot of carnaubas fit in that category. An LSP can also be very durable (lasts a long time), but let just about anything through it to the clear coat. (My experiences with Zaino). Just because an LSP is physically *on* your clear coat, doesn't mean that it is offering a substantial amount of protection.

I understand you but I'm not sure I fully agree. I think the two properties are very correlated to each other. For instance with Zaino, I am able to clean off bird poop (which may be the "extreme/stress case" for protection worries) very easily with no etching if caught in a reasonable time.



I generally find sealants like Klasse and Zaino to offer the most protection versus carnaubas.

 

[SuperBee364]

I understand you but I'm not sure I fully agree. I think the two properties are very correlated to each other. For instance with Zaino, I am able to clean off bird poop (which may be the "extreme/stress case" for protection worries) very easily with no etching if caught in a reasonable time.



I generally find sealants like Klasse and Zaino to offer the most protection versus carnaubas.

Alot of people do. Others don't.



Being a sealant fan, you might want to give Ultima Paint Guard Plus a shot. I used Zaino for four years, and this stuff just blows it out of the water. (Again, *Just my opinion*). If you think Zaino has good environmental protection, I think you'll find Ultima's to be very impressive.

 

[SuperBee364]

makes lots of sense regarding the PW, for the harsh winter, I will be using PW every 2 months starting this weekend.

Should I apply a second coat of P1000 before starting the PW

madness?



Superbee,

I know from previous threads of yours, your going carnauba full blast this winter with

vintage, still correct? Your future posts regarding vintage in the snowy months will be priceless!

I'm hoping to switch the Charger over to Vintage for the winter sometime soon, but I have to get a Kitchen Pass from the wife first. (She's been a Detailing Widow lately.) I'm planning on switching her car over to UPGP for the winter just to see how it fairs on a car that's left outside 24/7. Should be interesting to see how the two compare.

 

[BlackElantraGT]

I used Zaino for four years, and this stuff just blows it out of the water.

heh heh heh



Maybe DavidB can use your comment as a testimonial this time, as the last time someone said that and he used it, he had to take it off as the person was comparing Ultima PGP to Opti-Seal.

 

[Cleaning Fool]

Typical of alot of discussions, you will find 5 guys who swear a sealant does this and sure enough there will be 1 guy who swears it doesn't. 5 guys swear a polish does XX and somebody will refute it. 5 guys swear by there Hondas and someone will hate it.....As with all products, test yourself and come to your own conclusions

 

[Macruz19]

What the fun-check?

 

[Macruz19]

Typical of alot of discussions, you will find 5 guys who swear a sealant does this and sure enough there will be 1 guy who swears it doesn't. 5 guys swear a polish does XX and somebody will refute it. 5 guys swear by there Hondas and someone will hate it.....As with all products, test yourself and come to your own conclusions

Here's an example. I like my Hondas because I've never had any issues (knock on wood), EVER, and I like my Zaino because it brings out the gloss and depth and shines better than any car in the parking lot.



Damn, some take things too seriously. It's just wax.

 

[wannafbody]

I think Collinite 845 is great stuff but I know from my experience that a winter of road crud sticks in it. My experience is that over a couple months carnaubas break down and trap dirt. If you are applying a fresh coat monthly you may reduce that tendency.