Zaino or FK-P1000 or Collinite 426s

Bence said:
I'm an "afterburner" in this case but I have all 3 product lines, so I can comment on them a bit.



I'm among the people who seen heavy water etching damage on a car wearing multiple ZFX'd Z2Pro layers, so I can attest the lack of physical protection of this product. However, I'm between both fronts because for me the Zaino perform truly well in the durability department, it is shiny as mad, and cleans well. I'm not that hot over its actual appearance, but its endurance is agreeable. The protection is subpar for me.



The 1000P is a most excellent performer protection-wise, and one of the few products which are actually able to bead through even a heavier layer of winter dirt. It looks outstanding on lighter, especially metallic/mica finishes, but it can look somewhat grayish and dull on certain dark colors. Strange, because on other darks, it looks wonderful. I'd recommend it on colors where the warm color richness is not a preference point.



If you need this, because of a certain shade of color, say, a black with gold flakes, use the Collinite. It looks very warm, friendly and cooperates well with most colors. I don't like it on some SS finishes, but that's purely subjective.



Both the 1000P and the 476 (I have the 885) will provide a substantial, heavy layer on the surface, protecting it better than the usual sealants. For my winter routine it will be likely OOS ("in" the surface) and a heavy carnauba (885/#16/1000P "on" the surface) combined.



The 2180/1000P combo is excellent for the BMW.
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I finished the car with 1 coat of each product today, I made sure that I covered every thing

so I did not see the need to top the sealant.

also washed the car before hand even though it was clean.

Also applied Opti-Seal to the HRE wheels which already got Collinite 476s , it looks great!

pictures coming soon.



Bence,

what a great post!

to be honest I wanted to say this for a long long time but I was worried of how much

heat I will get because of it.

Zaino water etching is the worst I have ever seen on my car. not only that

I had to get the car polished to remove the etching.



Blkz29conv

Thanks, I know this product never fails me, As soon as I top with pink wax "which has carnauba" I will be using Swissvax Quick finish beauty carnauba wax in weekly bases until next coat

of pink wax.
 
Thanks Harry! :D



Coming from a distant country, I've had no preferences, no product attraction points, or any kind of brand perception, so for me these Overseas brands were just names. Therefore, I started with a clean sheet of paper and then let the product prove its "shineworthiness".



Now I have good insights and I exactly know my preferences.
 
Bence said:
Thanks Harry! :D



Coming from a distant country, I've had no preferences, no product attraction points, or any kind of brand perception, so for me these Overseas brands were just names. Therefore, I started with a clean sheet of paper and then let the product prove its "shineworthiness".



Now I have good insights and I exactly know my preferences.
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The man! :D



seems not in here, some have some brand loyalty for some reason as if they are

getting free products :nomore:

I said this before, Zaino Z8, Z6 are one of the best spray products I have ever used,

the rest is just trash with all honesty because you can get better characteristics and looks than zaino with any other sealant after basing it with a glaze like Ez Creme.
 
Here are some photos in the garage, it is raining all day today.



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Here is photos from 2 months ago with the new wheels and

Swissvax Concorso



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I had the same problems of water spots with Zaino... Yesterday it rained and my car is wearing now Prime Carnauba + 1xSouverän + 2xGlasur. With some products, if I park the car in the night with beading because of the rain, in the next morning I see water spots. This morning the car was dry without any water spot. For me, this is protection.
 
wannafbody said:
My experience with Zaino is that when I clay one of our Zaino'd vehicles I get practically nothing in the clay bar. The only thing that I've found that sticks to Zaino is road tar splatters-and that will stick to anything.
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My experience as well.
 
Something puzzles me...I wonder how something can be durable like Zaino but supposedly offer no "protection". If the sealant is holding up and covering the car isn't that by nature protecting the finish?



I also know that Zaino is quite a bit slicker than my previous AIO+Souveran combo. If something is slick, in my experience then contaminants just fall away.
 
I didn't have contaminant problems with Zaino either, everything came off easily, but I too had the water spotting problems that I didn't correlate to Zaino until I read lots of complaints here. I switched to carnauba and have not had any spotting issues. Granted I the durability is not there but I'm not polishing as aggressively to get rid of the spots so its a wash when it comes to effort spent on the car.
 
SilverLexus said:
Something puzzles me...I wonder how something can be durable like Zaino but supposedly offer no "protection". If the sealant is holding up and covering the car isn't that by nature protecting the finish?



I also know that Zaino is quite a bit slicker than my previous AIO+Souveran combo. If something is slick, in my experience then contaminants just fall away.
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You need to differentiate between "Protection" and "Durability". They are two totally different things.



"Protection" being an LSP's ability to prevent anything from penetrating it and causing damage or adhesion to the clear coat.



"Durability" being an LSP's ability to simply remain on the clear coat for a period of time.



One is not inclusive of the other.



An LSP can have great Protection, and very limited durability. Alot of carnaubas fit in that category. An LSP can also be very durable (lasts a long time), but let just about anything through it to the clear coat. (My experiences with Zaino). Just because an LSP is physically *on* your clear coat, doesn't mean that it is offering a substantial amount of protection.
 
SuperBee364 said:
You need to differentiate between "Protection" and "Durability". They are two totally different things.



"Protection" being an LSP's ability to prevent anything from penetrating it and causing damage or adhesion to the clear coat.



"Durability" being an LSP's ability to simply remain on the clear coat for a period of time.



One is not inclusive or exclusive of the other.



An LSP can have great Protection, and very limited durability. Alot of carnaubas fit in that category. An LSP can also be very durable (lasts a long time), but let just about anything through it to the clear coat. (My experiences with Zaino). Just because an LSP is physically *on* your clear coat, doesn't mean that it is offering a substantial amount of protection.
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I agree with you 100 %. :2thumbs:
 
And to all you guys that say that everyting comes off of Zaino "easily". Is this using touch media based washing techniques? If the answer is yes, then I agree. Zaino does come clean when using touch based washing techniques. Have you ever used a touchless method *exclusively* for a long period of time between Zaino applications? You should try it sometime. I think the results (and how dirty your vehicle is) will really suprise you.



Ty this:

Apply Zaino (as many coats as you want)

Wash your vehicle as often as you want using *no touch media* you must be completely touchless. Do this for two months. Evaluate how dirty your vehicle is after *every* wash. Use sun reflections or lighting to truly see any remaining road film, etc. I bet you are very surprised with the findings.



For an even better surprise, let you vehicle get nice and dirty and let it sit for a day or two. Now do a touchless wash. How different does your vehicle look? Probably not alot.
 
Then you think that Zaino doesn't offer nice protection (like me) but it has nice shelf cleaning abilities, I'm right?
 
SuperBee364 said:
"Durability" being an LSP's ability to simply remain on the clear coat for a period of time.



One is not inclusive or exclusive of the other.



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I would define durability as an LSP's resistance to wear and/or length of endurance.



Protection and durability are exclusive of one another.



Just clarifying.



1000P provides both the protection and durability and I think it will serve Harry H. well. Pinkwax is another great wax that will look outstanding on that bimmer. However, I was never a fan of 2180.



:2thumbs:
 
SuperBee364 said:
And to all you guys that say that everyting comes off of Zaino "easily". Is this using touch media based washing techniques? If the answer is yes, then I agree. Zaino does come clean when using touch based washing techniques. Have you ever used a touchless method *exclusively* for a long period of time between Zaino applications? You should try it sometime. I think the results (and how dirty your vehicle is) will really suprise you.



Ty this:

Apply Zaino (as many coats as you want)

Wash your vehicle as often as you want using *no touch media* you must be completely touchless. Do this for two months. Evaluate how dirty your vehicle is after *every* wash. Use sun reflections or lighting to truly see any remaining road film, etc. I bet you are very surprised with the findings.



For an even better surprise, let you vehicle get nice and dirty and let it sit for a day or two. Now do a touchless wash. How different does your vehicle look? Probably not alot.
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Your example just points out how inefficient a touchless wash is. Not to mention the usage of recycled water for the process. Most likely the vehicle was never cleaned properly in the place. :nixweiss

Personally, I hope I never get to the point where I am too lazy, bored or fail to find the satisfaction I received by washing my vehicles properly and with attention to detail. Not trying to be sarcastic but this complete cleansing etiology about self-cleaning waxy carnauba is completely opposite from my experiences when I using such products (basically the only products available in the 60,70,80's) for over 35 years. What should one use on rims? What is in Vintage that allows this isolated cleansing ability that is not demonstrated in other carnauba formulations? Why does dust / pollen adhere to waxed vehicles more vigorously than sealant?





But as we know, experiences are many and none should be discounted.:cool:
 
SuperBee364 said:
For an even better surprise, let you vehicle get nice and dirty and let it sit for a day or two. Now do a touchless wash. How different does your vehicle look? Probably not alot.
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How bout' an even better suprise, let your car get really dirty and after 3 weeks of grime, do a touchless wash. How different does your vehicle look? Probably not alot.
 
NSXTASY said:
I would define durability as an LSP's resistance to wear and/or length of endurance.



Protection and durability are exclusive of one another.



Just clarifying.



1000P provides both the protection and durability and I think it will serve Harry H. well. Pinkwax is another great wax that will look outstanding on that bimmer. However, I was never a fan of 2180.



:2thumbs:
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Doh, that is exactly right. I'll fix that.
 
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