Zaino or FK-P1000 or Collinite 426s

If you are going for max protection and durability and plan on using a glaze prior to your choices. I would not use the Zaino. It would not be fair or beneficial to apply the Z over a oil-based product. From your plan a waxed-based durable product would be best but they too will not perform at their peak with such a "weak" foundation as a glaze.
 
SuperBee364 said:
As usual, I'm late to the party. You've probably already done your LSP job, but I just gotta throw my $.02 in...



Yes, Zaino looks great. But it fails miserably in the *protection* department. When it comes to winter prep, what's more important in an LSP? Durability and looks? Or Durability and *Protection*? I'll take the protection hands down. For winter, I'd take a completely dull LSP as long as it protected my precious clear coat from all of winter's nasties. Zaino does not do this. Zaino looks great, protects bad.



Heap that Collinite IW845 on, and protect your paint against all of winter's harshest effects. Save the Zaino for the car show next spring.
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Are we using the same "ZAINO?" I thought we all agreed, even those who despise the product, is that Zaino is quite durable.



Greg
 
GregCavi said:
Are we using the same "ZAINO?" I thought we all agreed, even those who despise the product, is that Zaino is quite durable.



Greg
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From what I read, SB's talking about protection, not durability. Protection as in ease of cleaning and ability to protect from the elements in order to prevent water spots, etching, bonded contimants, etc.



FWIW, I have found Zaino to provide outstanding 1) Durability, 2) Protection, and 3) Aesthetics. YRMV
 
GregCavi said:
Are we using the same "ZAINO?" I thought we all agreed, even those who despise the product, is that Zaino is quite durable.



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Yes, I do agree that Zaino is very durable. It has great durability, and looks fantastic. I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't durable at all.



But what good is that if it lets every nasty thing in the environment through it to stick to your clear coat? Four years of Zaino use (all year.. summer through winter and back again) with experience with every type of contaminant a car is likely to see has me absolutely convinced that Zaino is all looks and *no* protection. You'd be better off with a bare clear coat than depending on Zaino for environmental protection.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Yes, I do agree that Zaino is very durable. It has great durability, and looks fantastic. I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't durable at all.



But what good is that if it lets every nasty thing in the environment through it to stick to your clear coat? Four years of Zaino use (all year.. summer through winter and back again) with experience with every type of contaminant a car is likely to see has me absolutely convinced that Zaino is all looks and *no* protection. You'd be better off with a bare clear coat than depending on Zaino for environmental protection.
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Just as a rebuttal and to not start an argument because your experience is different in that I find from "my" experience quite the opposite. With over 40 of detailing I find Zaino to be one of the few products that actually is very "self-cleaning" and claying an infrequent necessity because of such. Of course, this could be the environments that I live in (rural) that may have created this positive experience. Maybe if I lived near industrial plants, refineries, railroads, city pollution this may not have been the case. I will state that my family lives in the Northeast (Go Pats and Red Sox!!!!!) and they actually praise how the sealant (Zaino) I have been applying each year has performed.

I am sure your experience is real but "I" also believe it is the exception more so the the norm.
 
I have a different experience with zaino and do not have issues with contaminants sticking to the paint.



Here is what the claybar looked like after 10 months since our BMW was polished or clayed.



Trunk:



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Some tar from behind the wheel wells:



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The car had 3x of Z5pro and 1x of clear seal.



For the first 6 months the paint had no Z6 or Z8 just Z7 and QEW washes.



I think I used Z8 3 times from months 6-10.



Approx 10k miles on the car in the 10 months and its garaged at night.



You can read the thread here on the detail I did when I clayed the car.
 
If you guys switched to a well-protecting carnauba, you might have a different view on Zaino's environmental "Protection."



Anyway, I really don't want to continue any sort of arguement here. Everyone has their opinion, and that's the way it should be. However, my experiences with Zaino are what they are, and no amount of pictures or diatribe here is gonna change that. :)



If you like Zaino, great! To steal the words of a well-known and well-respected detailer, "Find something you like, and use it often"! Enjoy your Zaino to it's fullest! :)
 
SuperBee364 said:
If you guys switched to a well-protecting carnauba, you might have a different view on Zaino's environmental "Protection."



Anyway, I really don't want to continue any sort of arguement here. Everyone has their opinion, and that's the way it should be. However, my experiences with Zaino are what they are, and no amount of pictures or diatribe here is gonna change that. :)



If you like Zaino, great! To steal the words of a well-known and well-respected detailer, "Find something you like, and use it often"! Enjoy your Zaino to it's fullest! :)
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To you the same. :xyxthumbs



Carnauba protect very well. No question. Used them for over a quarter of a century and my vehicles looked as sharp as they do today. I just do not have the time or desire to receive the same appearance that I now received at the expense of latter mentioned factors.



There is nothing better than finding a product that works for you. Fortunately, we having many great ones to choose from. In the end we are all winners.:dance
 
blkZ28Conv said:
To you the same. :xyxthumbs



Carnauba protect very well. No question. Used them for over a quarter of a century and my vehicles looked as sharp as they do today. I just do not have the time or desire to receive the same appearance that I now received at the expense of latter mentioned factors.



There is nothing better than finding a product that works for you. Fortunately, we having many great ones to choose from. In the end we are all winners.:dance
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Now there's a point we can all agree on... (I hope)! :nervous2:
 
My experience with Zaino is that when I clay one of our Zaino'd vehicles I get practically nothing in the clay bar. The only thing that I've found that sticks to Zaino is road tar splatters-and that will stick to anything.
 
SuperBee364 said:
If you guys switched to a well-protecting carnauba, you might have a different view on Zaino's environmental "Protection."



Anyway, I really don't want to continue any sort of arguement here. Everyone has their opinion, and that's the way it should be. However, my experiences with Zaino are what they are, and no amount of pictures or diatribe here is gonna change that. :)



If you like Zaino, great! To steal the words of a well-known and well-respected detailer, "Find something you like, and use it often"! Enjoy your Zaino to it's fullest! :)
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That's what I'm talkin about!!
 
Things been heating up I see? :D

Wednesday "today" I will apply sealant after the Ez Creme Glaze.

Why wouldn't a sealant stick to this glaze?

one of its main features is it helps bond the sealant and fill any minor defects!



am I correct here guys?

please advice asap! :)
 
IMO, if you want max durability with a sealant I wouldnt use a glaze, even though sealants



will have no problem bonding to EZ Creme/Danase Wet/CG Mirror, IME I have found that



they reduce durability a bit. However, if you will be reapplying the sealant once or twice



over the winter, it shouldnt matter much. FWIW, i love all of the above mentioned glazes,



ecspecially on top of a sealant (reapplied every few weeks).
 
Harry Houdini said:
Things been heating up I see? :D

Wednesday "today" I will apply sealant after the Ez Creme Glaze.

Why wouldn't a sealant stick to this glaze?

one of its main features is it helps bond the sealant and fill any minor defects!



am I correct here guys?

please advice asap! :)
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It seems like the general feeling here has been that glazes (for the most part) are used before carnaubas, and (generally speaking) AIO's are used before sealants. The only glaze I've ever seen marketed as being a pre-step for a sealant is Menzerna's Final Touch Glaze. I used it before Zaino one time, and it totally destroyed Zaino's well-known durability. Just based on that experience, I'd say you want either a sealant based AIO for a base coat, or just a completely clean clear coat (IPA wipedown).
 
SuperBee364 said:
As usual, I'm late to the party. You've probably already done your LSP job, but I just gotta throw my $.02 in...



Yes, Zaino looks great. But it fails miserably in the *protection* department. When it comes to winter prep, what's more important in an LSP? Durability and looks? Or Durability and *Protection*? I'll take the protection hands down. For winter, I'd take a completely dull LSP as long as it protected my precious clear coat from all of winter's nasties. Zaino does not do this. Zaino looks great, protects bad.



Heap that Collinite IW845 on, and protect your paint against all of winter's harshest effects. Save the Zaino for the car show next spring.
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Collinite looks better than zaino to me :p
 
SuperBee364 said:
It seems like the general feeling here has been that glazes (for the most part) are used before carnaubas, and (generally speaking) AIO's are used before sealants. The only glaze I've ever seen marketed as being a pre-step for a sealant is Menzerna's Final Touch Glaze. I used it before Zaino one time, and it totally destroyed Zaino's well-known durability. Just based on that experience, I'd say you want either a sealant based AIO for a base coat, or just a completely clean clear coat (IPA wipedown).
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Ditto.:usa
 
Thanks gents, The reason why I am going to use P1000 because I will be toping it every month or 2 with FK Pink Wax for this winter, it is just killing me seeing products

that I have not even opened yet lol.



FK has its own glaze which is 2180, It should be a glaze but the discription

does not say that, it is a sealant own its own.

so instead of using the Ez Creme, I will get a base coat of 2180 toped with P1000.

This is a finish kare winter for sure! ;)
 
I'm an "afterburner" in this case but I have all 3 product lines, so I can comment on them a bit.



I'm among the people who seen heavy water etching damage on a car wearing multiple ZFX'd Z2Pro layers, so I can attest the lack of physical protection of this product. However, I'm between both fronts because for me the Zaino perform truly well in the durability department, it is shiny as mad, and cleans well. I'm not that hot over its actual appearance, but its endurance is agreeable. The protection is subpar for me.



The 1000P is a most excellent performer protection-wise, and one of the few products which are actually able to bead through even a heavier layer of winter dirt. It looks outstanding on lighter, especially metallic/mica finishes, but it can look somewhat grayish and dull on certain dark colors. Strange, because on other darks, it looks wonderful. I'd recommend it on colors where the warm color richness is not a preference point.



If you need this, because of a certain shade of color, say, a black with gold flakes, use the Collinite. It looks very warm, friendly and cooperates well with most colors. I don't like it on some SS finishes, but that's purely subjective.



Both the 1000P and the 476 (I have the 885) will provide a substantial, heavy layer on the surface, protecting it better than the usual sealants. For my winter routine it will be likely OOS ("in" the surface) and a heavy carnauba (885/#16/1000P "on" the surface) combined.



The 2180/1000P combo is excellent for the BMW.
 
Sounds like an excellent plan especially with the fact that you will be maintaining full protection thru the winter. This type of regimen I would recommend for all LSP's no matter how well they protect or last. :xyxthumbs
 
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