Zaino hates me (Z2/Z5)!

On the rare occasion that I have streaking or all the Z2/5pro does not want to wipe clean....I use a nice soft MF dampened w/ water. I then follow with a WW drying towel.

Using Z6 or Z8 in this situation does not usually work as it has the same polymers that Z2/5pro contains.
 
Stokdgs said:
Rasky - how much Z/2 or Z/5 did you put in the bottle ? I read you put in 4 drops of ZFX catylst.

Zaino says 4-5 drops of ZFX for each ounce of their Polish, Z2 or Z5.

I never use more than 1/2 oz of either product to go around a vehicle 3 times, and I only put in 3 drops of ZFX to that 1/2 oz.

I use Z6 on the Zaino applicator many times until its wet enough to move easily, and have found out consistently that the 1st coat of either product is the hardest to get right, because the surface is clean, and the pad is not as damp as it will be say by 2nd-3rd coat.

After the 1st coat is on and removed, the other 2 go on way easier for me.

I even went to the trouble of buying some 1/2 oz plastic bottles and weighing them on an electronic scale empty and with product to be sure I was getting the chemicals right, and have had no problems.
I had an '05 Acura RL in beautiful Opulent Blue Pearl, and it had many coats of Z5 Z/2 before I turned it back in and it was easily the most beautiful car on the Acura Dealer's lot ! They sold it in like a few weeks. I dont have any more experience with that marque's paint but imagine the TSX is coming from the same place using the same basic paint, just different colors..

Good luck, let us know how it is going! The hood you did is beautiful !! Wow!!

DanF
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I have 3oz bottle for mixing in. I only put a 1/2oz in them just for testing and added 3 drops of ZXF. I've tried the Z6 thing before and it does make the applicator easier to move around.





So I let the Zaino sections dry for 2hrs and they came off great....or at least much better than on my car. I had a little smearing near the edges of the tape, which may have had something to do with it in it's own and it cleared right up with some Z6. I applied a 2nd coat and will check it in the morning to see if it comes off easier than the 1st.

I'm thinking it's just either my paint, or there is something on it that is not coming off with normal IPA wipe downs or the ZAIO.

Dan, my fiancee has a '05 NHBP RL, and trust me, her paint is WAY better than what's on my TSX. ;)
 
nosbusa1700 said:
I've posted my thoughts on Zaino not long ago on here. Zaino is very temperamental.

Last time I used Z2, I left it on for 15 hrs. It never dried. It was a PITA to remove. Yes, I applied it very lightly.

I never had the problem with the old non pro Zaino. The new Zanio looks very good along with Z8, but if I'm going to have to go through what I went through everytime I use Zaino, it's not worth it imo.

I may give it another try (one day) and see what happens before I write Zaino off.
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I agree, though I want to be able to use it when customers request it.

FWIW, the Blackfire wiped off effortlessly and perfectly 5 minutes after applying. ;)
 
gmblack3 said:
On the rare occasion that I have streaking or all the Z2/5pro does not want to wipe clean....I use a nice soft MF dampened w/ water. I then follow with a WW drying towel.

Using Z6 or Z8 in this situation does not usually work as it has the same polymers that Z2/5pro contains.
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I've done that before with other waxes that have streaked, does work well. I just chose to rewash my car this time around.;)
 
RaskyR1 said:
I agree, though I want to be able to use it when customers request it.

FWIW, the Blackfire wiped off effortlessly and perfectly 5 minutes after applying. ;)
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Yeah, I've never had a problem with drying time, or removing Blackfire WD, Wolfgang DGPS, or Duragloss. Just Zaino.

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Well, I've been around the detailing forums long enough to know that Chad is no slouch in the detailing game, but Zaino is just one of those products (IMO) that can be finicky.

Don't get me wrong, my IS350 is wearing Zaino right now and I'm very happy with the look, but it was not the easiest product to use (opposite of Wet Diamond IMHO).
 
Well the second coat came off pretty well again this morning. It Still looked like it needed to be followed up with Z6 or Z8 though. I'm going to try removing it with a Shamrock towel once since the Zealots seem to really like them...can't imagine that would really mater, but what the heck. ;)




Chubby Davis said:
Maybe if you head over to the Zaino Forum they could solve your problem.
Good Luck!
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Does Zaino even have a forum? Or do you mean the Corvette forum? :D

Maybe, but I'm guessing it will be nothing new as I've read all the tips and tricks. I also don't like how people's first reaction is to assume the user has no clue what they are doing and I would be a new face over there.
 
Rasky, I feel your pain! I tried Zaino twice and both times I ended up trading it to someone for something else. Last time I got Blackfire - life is good!
 
RaskyR1 said:
Well the second coat came off pretty well again this morning. It Still looked like it needed to be followed up with Z6 or Z8 though. I'm going to try removing it with a Shamrock towel once since the Zealots seem to really like them...can't imagine that would really mater, but what the heck. ;)

Does Zaino even have a forum? Or do you mean the Corvette forum? :D

Maybe, but I'm guessing it will be nothing new as I've read all the tips and tricks. I also don't like how people's first reaction is to assume the user has no clue what they are doing and I would be a new face over there.
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Chad, Please explain what you mean by followed up with Z6 or Z8.

If the paint appears to be streaky or all the product does not completely wipe off, DO NOT use Z6 or Z8. A nice soft MF dampened with water and followed with a WW will take care of it.

80% of the time that I have helped folks with Zaino, it is user error... That other 20% of the time....Zaino is just not the answer for some people. Out of the 150 or so cars I have applied Zaino to in the last 4 years, I can count on one hand paint/cars that I have had issues with.
 
gmblack3 said:
Chad, Please explain what you mean by followed up with Z6 or Z8.

If the paint appears to be streaky or all the product does not completely wipe off, DO NOT use Z6 or Z8. A nice soft MF dampened with water and followed with a WW will take care of it.

80% of the time that I have helped folks with Zaino, it is user error... That other 20% of the time....Zaino is just not the answer for some people. Out of the 150 or so cars I have applied Zaino to in the last 4 years, I can count on one hand paint/cars that I have had issues with.
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I used the Z6 after wiping off the Z2/Z5 for two reasons.

1. The Zaino site says too
2. There was light smearing/streaking, and the Z6 cleared it up. I only saw the streaking with my brinkmann, but could not see it under the shop lights.


From the Zaino tips/tricks
4. After buffing, spray the car with a light mist of Z-6 Ultra Clean? Gloss Enhancer Spray detailing spray. Z-6 will help buff away any remaining residue and enhances the brightness of the finish. Using Z-6, the next coat of Zaino Show Car Polish will apply even easier.

The way that reads, or at least the way I infer it, is that slight smearing is just normal...no?

I'm hoping it's just the 20% thing, because I honestly can't see what I could be doing wrong. You can see in the pics above that it is applied super thin. What I don't get is that I can use ZAIO with no issues at all. Comes off great.
 
RaskyR1 said:
I used the Z6 after wiping off the Z2/Z5 for two reasons.

1. The Zaino site says too
2. There was light smearing/streaking, and the Z6 cleared it up. I only saw the streaking with my brinkmann, but could not see it under the shop lights.


From the Zaino tips/tricks
4. After buffing, spray the car with a light mist of Z-6 Ultra Clean? Gloss Enhancer Spray detailing spray. Z-6 will help buff away any remaining residue and enhances the brightness of the finish. Using Z-6, the next coat of Zaino Show Car Polish will apply even easier.

The way that reads, or at least the way I infer it, is that slight smearing is just normal...no?

I'm hoping it's just the 20% thing, because I honestly can't see what I could be doing wrong. You can see in the pics above that it is applied super thin. What I don't get is that I can use ZAIO with no issues at all. Comes off great.
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What they mean on the zaino site by "remaining residue" is remaining cured or dry residue. Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see any reference to removing streaky residue by using Z6.

Use water, its free. :biggrin:
 
Water will "flash cure" Zaino, or pretty much any other product. If you are experiencing streaking or smearing, water works fine.

Using a QD (I don't care who makes it) can compound the problem sometimes. Most QD's have a silicone emulsion in them and that reacts with whatever product you are having problems with. Some QD's have a carnauba wax emulsion that you might not be aware of, and that could cause problems, too. Water will not cause a strange reaction.

When confronted with a problem,
stop,
think,
then go with what you know.

If you don't know what is in the bottle of whatever in your hands, don't use it. It will only make matters worse. You know what water is, so use that first and see how it works.
 
gmblack3 said:
What they mean on the zaino site by "remaining residue" is remaining cured or dry residue. Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see any reference to removing streaky residue by using Z6.

Use water, its free. :biggrin:
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Like I said, it was only the way I infered it and I don't know why I would have any remaining residue? ;)


Well hopefully things will go smoothly on the Porsche....or maybe I can swing him over to Blackfire. :D
 
User Name said:
I used an entire ounce for three applications, is that too little or too much?
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By application, do you mean loading up the pad one time, or application to the entire vehicle?

One very thin line across your pad should do half the hood. Then rub it into the pad with your finger, like your spreading butter.
 
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