Zaino and stains

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Murrayhe

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I applied Z1 + Z5 last night and let it sit overnight. Today when I tried to buff out the excess, it was hard and I saw the following:



- little bubbles or water marks left by Zaino

- hazed spots that were very hard to get out



Does this mean I applied too much or is it that I waited too long? Should I dawn wash and start over?
 
I don't think Zaino could add waterspots, my guess is that they might have been there prior to the Zaino application....ahh, the joys of a completely non abrasive, non-cleaning product. ;)



How big were the spots, and do you have a better description? So far, neither of the problems seem like typical Zaino side-effects (from the actual product; prep, perhaps; but not the products).
 
I agree with Devo, a water spot is caused by an actual bead of water. No bead, no spot (well at least in the roundish spot). A residue (especially applied by an applicator) would leave a streak rather than a spot. Hope that makes sense.



Before you go any further they should be delt with.



Happy detailing!
 
1) I applied Zaino in the garage. No dust.



2) The spots are actually streaks of Zaino I'm sure. Prior to applying Zaino I shined my floodlights on my car and there was nothing. Now I see small streaks, that when you look very closely, are just lines of bubbles that form the streak lines.



3) I find the product to be very very hard to buff out. I do get it off, but there are little white spots that are very stubborn. Putting my hand on the hood I can feel little spots like old cars prior to clay bars would be like.



4) I waited almost 24 hours before buffing it out. Could this have something to do with it?



Lastly, should I do a complete Dawn wash again? Would take strip it all out easily? The haze is so damn hard to buff out, unlike the last time I did it (I only gave it an hour to dry last time vs. the whole day this time).
 
Dawn washing isn't going to change a bit.



QD-ing might do the trick.





Good luck & let us know



maybe a pic could enlighten us to give more (better) info



Christiaan
 
Oggle said:
I thought Dawn will take out Zaino?
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Dawn will not remove Zaino,

at the worst it will weaken it a bit



What kind of QDing technique should I use?



Well, mist Z6 on a panel and wipe it off with MF, then finaly buff with new MF.



Christiaan
 
It sounds like you may have just used too much product which still wasn't dry if it was hard to remove and left a haze. Do you know how much you used?



For a remedy, I would wash with Z7, then use Z6 with the technique above.
 
First do not try to remove by increasing buffing pressure. Zaino should not require excessive pressure.

Next try the Z6 (QD) and buff lightly - No results



Z7 soap wipe - No results



Very mild paint cleanser - Not results.



You are at a crossroads. These white spots may actually be defects (microscopic craters) in the finish filled with dried Zaino. Saturate a Q-tip with isopropyl alcohol and try to remove a spot - No results.

At this point you will need to test this area with a stronger abrasive and PC. If this eliminates the defect. Well you know what you are up against. Re-prepping with surface leveling polishing step.

Hope this helps.:wavey
 
Oggle said:
- little bubbles or water marks left by Zaino

- hazed spots that were very hard to get out
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I have noticed the little tiny bubbles also. Sometimes you get that for just a few swipes when you freshly mist your applicator with water or Z-6 and start applying the product. It usually happens when there's a good amount of lube (water or Z-6) on your app...then after a few swipes it stops. I think the best way to avoid that is to use lighter spritzes or just be conscientious of it when you've just sprayed your app and "work" the product in slightly when starting out (i.e. go over the bubbled areas again with your applicator). If you discover little bubbles when removing zaino, a damp MF towel usually does the trick. (so far, I've dealt with them by licking my finger and rubbing the bubbles out. Works well, but probably marrs the paint)



Not sure what to make of your hazed spots that were hard to get out. When applying Zaino, be sure to apply the product as "evenly" as possible. I know the instructions say to use straight back and forth motions, but try to keep the motions as short as possible. I usually apply Z in 6" elliptical motions and that seems to allow pretty even coverage.



You also mentioned little tiny white spots. If you are referring to little spots that are the size of a dot like this " . ", that's probably Zaino that has clumped together on an embedded contaminant. If you're referring to something else, then you can disregard the rest of my post. If this IS what you're getting, keep reading! :)



I'm sure you clayed your car in your initial prep, but if you missed any of those contaminants, a Z application will reveal them in the form of a tiny white clump. I had a few of those also when I first tried Zaino. They're actually very very hard to see and are only visible upon close inspection. They come off if you rub it hard with a towel or pick at it with your fingernail (which are definitely things you don't want to do). I think the best way to remove it would be with a claybar and lube.



::::;EDIT::::: Oh, and one other way to avoid those bubbles would be to use a cotton applicator instead of a foam applicator.
 
Ok I finally buffed it all out. The bad thing is, there are those bubble spots all over the place. I'm guessing these spots are probably under the layer of Z5 in the Z1 layer. To get to it I think I would need to get rid of Zaino and start fresh. How should I go about removing Zaino? Would Dawn wash be sufficient or will I need to go through the PC + GEPC again?



The funny thing is, there are parts of my car that have none of these bubble spots. They're mostly on the right back side, where, as I recall it, I had spread Zaino very thin.
 
Oggle said:
How should I go about removing Zaino? Would Dawn wash be sufficient or will I need to go through the PC + GEPC again?
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Isopropyl Alcohol will do it, or a mild polish with the PC should do it too and would be better. After IPA, you would want to polish it again to bring back the gloss anyway.



Some people that use Dawn to "take off" the Zaino layers probabyl aren't, and end up applying whatever other products on top. That is fine and many people here use other products on top of Zaino. Others, either use chemicals or abrasives to take Zaino off.
 
APT said:
Isopropyl Alcohol will do it, or a mild polish with the PC should do it too and would be better. After IPA, you would want to polish it again to bring back the gloss anyway.
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How should I apply the alcohol? On a MF towel? Doing the whole car will take ages! :(



Or should I just do PC + GEPC?
 
Anyone? I'm hoping for a response so I can start right away. Should I do the alcohol or just skip that and go PC + GEPC to strip the existing Zaino?
 
I've never done it, but you could probably spray alcohol like it was a QD and wipe it with a MF. Or you could just hand apply GEPC. Stripping stuff shouldn't take much effort. Now that I think about it, alcohol might be a better idea because the paint will be squeaky clean when it's completely stripped, vs. GEPC which I believe leaves it slick. HTH
 
4DSC said:
I've never done it, but you could probably spray alcohol like it was a QD and wipe it with a MF. Or you could just hand apply GEPC. Stripping stuff shouldn't take much effort. Now that I think about it, alcohol might be a better idea because the paint will be squeaky clean when it's completely stripped, vs. GEPC which I believe leaves it slick. HTH
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Why do you recommend applying GEPC by hand and not by PC?
 
HI Oggle



I removed Zaino last week.



I had a carb topper, so I first did Dawn to remove the wax.



Next, get a large bottle of alcohol at a drug store...mix in a small bucket 50-50 solution of alcohol and water. Take a MF and go to it. (I dont use MF's to wash normally and assuming your car is clean and free of any regular dirt)



Use light pressure...no need to rub hard or anything like that. It will remove the Z chemically, not by bearing down.



Rinse - Done Deal.



Re: GEPC - Of course you can use a PC. Sometimes I use a PC or sometimes by hand. My car is a convertible with little surface area with lots of nooks and crannys that a 6" pad will not fit into. GEPC is SO EASY to use, that I can do it by hand in the same amount of time.....



Interesting problem....I think Intermezzo nailed it.
 
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