Zaino and s100 comparisson / debate / thoughts

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I still can't decide. I like both Z and S100. The Z takes more steps and it's hard to see where you apply it. The S100 just feels great. I might put Z on then S100. I also have the S100 paint cleaner stuff but if I use that then I cannot apply the Z.



The debate will never stop!
 
4DSC said:
It depends on how serious the swirls are that we're talking about, but I noticed pretty decent filling with Klasse SG on light swirls. I should really get around to uploading a couple pics I have of this.... :rolleyes:



Yes, Z5 is designed to fill swirls, though I had no luck with it. This is the first time I've heard this about Klasse. What color are you filling?



Bruce
 
Bruce Peter said:
These are common misconceptions many people have. Point by point heres the skinny:





1. Properly applied Zaino is extremely affordable. I have gotten so many coats from a single jar I've lost count.



2. No Polymers fill swirls, UUP, Klasse, Bf, none of them. One should NEVER attempt to fill a swirl prior to Zaino. They should be removed completely. Fillers don't jive with Zaino.



3A. ^The number of threads sharing first time problems is numerous.



3B. The number of threads praising Zaino for it's gloss and duability are endless.



Simply stated Zaino is the undisputed king of shine, durability and slickness. Nothing comes close.



Coupla counter-points.



I would love to see how you remove 'every swirl' prior to applying your beloved Zaino.



Its virtually impossible unless the vehicle is showroom new or has been properly looked after.



$ for $ Zaino is nowhere NEAR the cheapest.

Have you actually tried UPP or AIO and seen how far one bottle goes ?



You can buy a bottle of both UPP AND AIO for about 1/3rd of what you would have to lay out to get set up for Zaino.



Your last statement, as people have noted, is just ludicrous.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder, a properly clayed, levelled and polished vehicle will feel smooth and look good no matter WHAT you top it with.



A polish/wax/sealant doesnt magically level out all the scratches and remove all the contaminants. (Actually there is one product, ask BradNC ;) ) thats all done in the prep work before any Zaino or other UPP etc touches the paint.



Basically I'm against Zaino because I just hate the plasticy shine it leaves.I see it as a money-making scheme to achieve the same results as cheaper products, but it ties you into using ONLY Zaino as it 'doesnt work with anything else'.



Sounds a bit like what Billy Gates does :cool:
 
Zaino does not work with anything else? Since when? I have applied Zaino and used other products for washing and QD'ing and they work just fine. The Zaino system works best with Zaino products, just like the Platinum system works best with Platinum products. That does not mean you have to use them.



As for the cheaper products for same results comment, that can be said for anything. Why buy Platinum when you can use Turtle Wax for cheaper? The fact is, a great shine is 98% technique, 2% product used.



If you don't like Zaino, fine. Constant bashing however gets old.
 
Smoker,



You just got over here... march 2003 ....



I was wondering if You ever used the Zaino ?



The Zaino is a great product so is UPP...

Money is not an object for maaaaany people when it comes to detailing products...





Regards,



Serg
 
Why don't all of you post pictures of what you think is a super finish, WITHOUT telling if you used Z or S-100. Then, let the Experts (you) pick out the Z'ed or S-100"ed finishes. It would have to be a (blind) type posting, so the faithful followers wouldn't know in advance , what was used. Post the pics, The Moderator could run the poll, and we all could see, who knew their shift from shinola. I tend to think it's all in the prep, with no real difference in the topper. Case in point, I did my car up, took it to the exercise place. When leaving the place,out in the parking lot, a confirmed X-product user said" well, I see you finally tried out X-product" he said he could tell, by how clear and reflective my finish was. I laughed, because I DIDN"T use X-product . I just used alot of the info at this site...Clean, clay, polish, top it. He had been using his beloved product for years, and was convinced that no other product would look as good. Just shows to go Ya, It's in the eye.
 
I've done that before. I had a customer tell me that he didn't want me to use Meguiar's protectant in his car. I didn't have any choice but use it. It was either that or Armor All. His concerns were pretty far out there and didn't apply for what I needed to use it for. So I used it anyway. He got in his car and took a deep breath and told me to keep using whatever I used because it was much better smelling than that Meguiar's crap. lol



I believe that a lot of it is in the eye of the beholder. That is why discussions about which product looks better always go downhill fast. A good shine on a car is like a work of art and when was the last time anyone ever agreed about what was good or tacky art. To one man its art and to another it is pornography. I just wish more people would understand that.
 
Smoker said:
Coupla counter-points.



I would love to see how you remove 'every swirl' prior to applying your beloved Zaino.



Its virtually impossible unless the vehicle is showroom new or has been properly looked after.



$ for $ Zaino is nowhere NEAR the cheapest.

Have you actually tried UPP or AIO and seen how far one bottle goes ?



You can buy a bottle of both UPP AND AIO for about 1/3rd of what you would have to lay out to get set up for Zaino.



Your last statement, as people have noted, is just ludicrous.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder, a properly clayed, levelled and polished vehicle will feel smooth and look good no matter WHAT you top it with.



A polish/wax/sealant doesnt magically level out all the scratches and remove all the contaminants. (Actually there is one product, ask BradNC ;) ) thats all done in the prep work before any Zaino or other UPP etc touches the paint.



Basically I'm against Zaino because I just hate the plasticy shine it leaves.I see it as a money-making scheme to achieve the same results as cheaper products, but it ties you into using ONLY Zaino as it 'doesnt work with anything else'.



Sounds a bit like what Billy Gates does :cool:





counter counter points.



1. First if you read ALL my responses you would have seen that I agree, beauty is a personel choice. Perhaps you missed that one.

Zaino is my shine of choice.



2. I never said you can remove ALL swirls. I simply suggested that one should not use a filling product with Zaino. Most people would agree with this. The fillers interfere with Z's abilty to bond with the paint.



3. I have a bottle of Zaino that has lasted me over a year. I use it on my M5 and my everyday driver. I'd say that's economical. I also never said it is "the cheapest" Please stop putting words in my sentences. I have never tried AIO or UUP. I am quite sure they are high quality products though.



4. Read number 1. I however stand by my statement. Nothing feels as slick as Zaino. And yes, I have tried other products, tons of them. I further stated that I like them as well. You must have missed that response too.





As with any SG prep is critical. SG's will amplify imperfections. This is especially true with Zaino. Waxes with a good filling polish like P21S GEPC are much more forgiving. They will hide, through fillers, many imperfections. They however do not hold up as well as Zaino, nothing that I have tried does. That is why Zaino is MY choice. You may not agree and that is ok. That is why they make chocolate and vanilla.



Finally, I have heard Zaino's shine described as plasticy before. I would hardly refer to it as "plasticy. Glossy, super shiney, yes, platcy no! The question I'd ask you is, Have you ever tried it, or are you just parroting others comments? What color cars have you seen with Z in person, not a pcture.



Your last statement suggests that you may be a bit paranoid. There is medication for that. Since when is it a crime to turn a profit? Suggesting that Z is just another money making scheme is pretty silly, don't you think?



I know, I know, I fanned tha flames, but hey, I had to set the record straight. Next time read everything before you go off the deep end. The water is deep and cold.





Bruce



:nono :nono
 
Bruce,



I love your response... LOL...





I agree with Zaino description;)



Regards,



Serg
 
Bruce Peter said:
I have never tried AIO or UUP. I am quite sure they are high quality products though.



4. Read number 1. I however stand by my statement. Nothing feels as slick as Zaino.



And yes, I have tried other products, tons of them.



(I added this so you didnt feel 'outta context', tho funny how you've tried 'tons' but never two of the most popular products.)





As with any SG prep is critical. SG's will amplify imperfections. Finally, I have heard Zaino's shine described as plasticy before. I would hardly refer to it as "plasticy. Glossy, super shiney, yes, platcy no! The question I'd ask you is, Have you ever tried it, or are you just parroting others comments? What color cars have you seen with Z in person, not a pcture.



Your last statement suggests that you may be a bit paranoid. There is medication for that. Since when is it a crime to turn a profit? Suggesting that Z is just another money making scheme is pretty silly, don't you think?



I know, I know, I fanned tha flames, but hey, I had to set the record straight. Next time read everything before you go off the deep end. The water is deep and cold.



Keep digging.

Contradiction is a wonderful thing.



I can tell from the spelling mistakes your probably typing away like a monkey on crack in your mad Zaino fever.



Basically I wont use Zaino because I like to CHOOSE what other products I use. (And I dont mean QD's and wash soap ..... I mean IMPORTANT products like compounds and glazes). I don't wanna be railroaded into buying yet ANOTHER bottle of something that other products already contain at no extra cost.



(If house paint took 2 days to dry would YOU buy a small bottle of 'accelerator' at twice the cost of the paint ??)



They can make a profit if they like .. but so do the folks over at 'AkrylicWerks'.

If you read this forum much you'll get my drift.



Anyways.



I HAVE seen the plasticky shine Zaino gives on a sunburst red car and to be honest with all the buggering about (and $$) involved to achieve that shine I'll leave it on the shelf thanks.



One day some people will realise theres more out there thats cheaper and looks better.



Till then i guess you best get yer wallet out.



Can we finish this thread now ?

Its getting nowhere and I don't want my Mr Hyde to come out.
 
Guys mypoint of this thread was not to start a you suck you suck thread. It was just to prepare a thoughtful insight into what I felt the differences were between Zaino and S100. Keep the deabte alove but dont bash each other for their thoughts! Plus that way it keeps Ginger away from playing boss man
 
I prefer Zaino more and more. I have used P21S before but on a swirl free finish I seem to attract to the Zaino. Durability plays a huge roll in product selection hence my supply of Zaino and Klasse. Both are very durable sealants. On some occasional garaged cars I use a carnauba topper such as Souveran. The P21S is currently being used by another forum member out in CA. I left the kit with him along with most of the Zaino line (Z2, Z5, Z6, Z7, Z12, Z14, Z16, and ZFX.) Also Klasse, clay Megic blue and red, and some other stuff. He has the best of both worlds. P21S wax on his yellow mustang, Zaino on his burgundy pick-up and as far as the T-bird goes its up to him. I pretty much double/tripled his detailing arsenol.....



If I were to choose, I would pick Zaino for durability alone.
 
Holy cow, what happened to this thread?!? :eek: It wasn't this way the last time I read it!



I use Klasse and I like it despite how it can be finicky and potentially troublesome. I'm also sure Zaino is a great product that is in some respects better. After reading some of the comments here I was reminded that I gravitated more towards Klasse partially because Z didn't have a "cleaner" step and I was agonizing too much over the Z1/ZFX and Z2/Z5/both thing.... but I was seriously considering it though. Can't we all just get along? :nixweiss

Bruce Peter said:
Yes, Z5 is designed to fill swirls, though I had no luck with it. This is the first time I've heard this about Klasse. What color are you filling?



Bruce
Silver. I know this is the colour that is best at hiding swirls ;), but this was observed during some failed experimentation under 500W halogens and I was quite certain about the return of some swirls when Klasse was removed from a small area. Another reason the Klasse system appealed to me back then was because some of the older members had posted about Klasse's mild filling/hiding ability. So far I would agree with their findings, but as I said it depends on how deep the swirls are. Klasse SG did almost nothing for anything worse than "light" (and I mean really light) swirls.





PS: In before the lock...... :wall
 
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