Z2, Z5 or both for silver paint

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BMW335i

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Many people use Z5 for darker colors but it's a rare sight to see Z5 on lighter colors. The problem is I have swirls (very light swirls), so the Z2 wouldn't do anything for them. Should I use both Z2 and Z5 or stick to Z2? My process would go



Wash

Clay

Klasse AIO (I want to try and avoid abrasives like Z-PC until I am more confident in my process)

Z2 (ZFX'd) with Z6 before each coat

Z8



Or with Z5



Wash

Clay

Klasse AIO

Z5 (Z6 before each coat)

Z8



The second process will have more swirl-hiding power and some slight removal?, but I never see a light car with Z5. It might not look so great.
 
Klasse AIO will get VERY light marring out of your paint. If you can live with the swirls that are present now, then skip the ZPC. ZPC works great to reduce and remove swirling but works best via machine in my opinion.



Having owned several silver cars, I would start with the Z5. I like to space my coats apart over a week or so, but if you like to do them back to back, go for it. Definately use ZFX, and after the next wash finish up with Z8. Then in a few weeks you can put a fresh layer of Z2 on and see if you like the look.
 
DETAILKING said:
Klasse AIO will get VERY light marring out of your paint. If you can live with the swirls that are present now, then skip the ZPC. ZPC works great to reduce and remove swirling but works best via machine in my opinion.



Having owned several silver cars, I would start with the Z5. I like to space my coats apart over a week or so, but if you like to do them back to back, go for it. Definately use ZFX, and after the next wash finish up with Z8. Then in a few weeks you can put a fresh layer of Z2 on and see if you like the look.
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Thanks. Just one more question, will the Zaino bond to the Klasse AIO properly? or is there another type of nonabrasive polish that I can use before applying Zaino that will bond to the Zaino well?



The reason I ask is because the Klasse twins (AIO and SG) bond great together bc they are made to be used together. Will the Klasse bond well to the Zaino or should I try something else before applying the Zaino and after the claying.



EDIT: How about JW: Prime? I hear its sort of like "AIO on steroids". Or will that work best with the Jett Sealant and Jett Trigger only?
 
What would be the ideal polish (non-abrasive preferred, like AIO), to use before the Zaino sealants (Z2/Z5)?
 
What is your process? Hand? PC? Rotary?



Do not be afraid of Z-PC on your BMW paint. It is quite hard and very workable (Sister-law has a Metallic gunmetal Grey that I detail once a year).



AIO/Prime are only really good for repairing oxidation unless used with a cutting pad. Use the Z-PC or equivalent polish (Menzerna IP) with a polishing pad and Z-PC Fusion and Merzerna IP works wonders for surface imperfections.



On silver I like Z5PRO x 2 and topped with Z2PRO. Using ZFX I am able to accomplish this in one session. She Z8's with every wash until I detail their Bimmer each year.



Zaino sealants will bond to AIO. Optimum performance of course is achieved with a "nude" polished surface.

Hope this helps. :wavey
 
blkZ28Conv said:
What is your process? Hand? PC? Rotary?



Do not be afraid of Z-PC on your BMW paint. It is quite hard and very workable (Sister-law has a Metallic gunmetal Grey that I detail once a year).



AIO/Prime are only really good for repairing oxidation unless used with a cutting pad. Use the Z-PC or equivalent polish (Menzerna IP) with a polishing pad and PC works wonders for minor surface imperfections.



On silver I like Z5PRO x 2 and topped with Z2PRO. Using ZFX I am able to accomplish this in one session. She Z8's with every wash until I detail their Bimmer each year.



Zaino sealants will bond to AIO. Optimum performance of course is achieved with "nude" surface.

Hope this helps. :wavey
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It will be by hand. Will Z-PC still be as effective by hand? How does this process look,



Wash

Clay

AIO or Z-PC or Prime

Z5 x2 w/ ZFX Z6 before each coat

Z2 w/ Z8
 
BMW335i said:
It will be by hand. Will Z-PC still be as effective by hand? How does this process look,



Wash

Clay

AIO or Z-PC or Prime

Z5 x2 w/ ZFX Z6 before each coat

Z2 w/ Z8
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to be honest, applications like the above are why I haven't used Zaino yet. That's five applications of Zaino products to the entire car....that must take forever.
 
Hand will work but will take some effort and time depending on how severe the minor swirling is. BMW clear from may experience is rather hard (a good thing) and hand application may be fruitless if time is a factor. What can be accomplished with a PC is quite obtainable by hand.

Test a small area and see if the hand method will work in a reasonable amount of time.



Maybe DetailKing will chime in again and tell you if he had any experience with Z-PC by hand on a BMW.
 
thesacrifice said:
to be honest, applications like the above are why I haven't used Zaino yet. That's five applications of Zaino products to the entire car....that must take forever.
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Yes well that is why I have this forum. I kind of need to get a working set of products the first time. Money is tight.
 
thesacrifice said:
to be honest, applications like the above are why I haven't used Zaino yet. That's five applications of Zaino products to the entire car....that must take forever.
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What is so hard about it? You really only "need" one coat, but people do multiple coats for extra gloss/protection.
 
Well, people brag and brag about the protection and look of Zaino, but it if takes 5 applications of product to get there, then I dont see anything to brag about.
 
thesacrifice said:
to be honest, applications like the above are why I haven't used Zaino yet. That's five applications of Zaino products to the entire car....that must take forever.
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:think2

Actually there are only 3 additional steps and 2 are optional.



All products for optimum performance and appearance require at least a wash and surface prep.



Well at least in my detailing experience and my vehicles appearances. :bigups



Between polishing sessions I just wash and Z8 or maybe out of boredom apply a coat of Z5PRO is hide any vehicular usage blemishes (i.e people touching the paint to see if is "really" dry).
 
I know what youre saying, I have no problem with surface prep but,



Z5 x2 w/ ZFX Z6 before each coat

Z2 w/ Z8



Z5 > Z6 > Z5 > Z6 > Z2 > Z8 = 6!
 
My question to you guys is what would you rather do, AIO or Prime



I really want to avoid Z-PC. My paint really isn't that bad at all and the stuff that is there I will bet that the AIO or Prime will take care of it.
 
popular belief is that both AIO and Prime are derived from similiar ingredients, if not the same. Probably couldnt go wrong with either.
 
thesacrifice said:
I know what youre saying, I have no problem with surface prep but,



Z5 x2 w/ ZFX Z6 before each coat

Z2 w/ Z8



Z5 > Z6 > Z5 > Z6 > Z2 > Z8 = 6!
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The bold steps are optional. As noted in my post, I detail her vehicle once a year and this regimen has worked to protect her paint yearly in the Northest (Boston/Newport R.I.).
 
It boggles my mind how someone can comment how "hard" a product is to use, that has NEVER used it.......



The non-Zaino believers, hate Zaino because of the hype, but, it's only hype if you've never used it, if you have used it, it's called a testamony. It's funny how the non-Zaino users talk about it like it's a cult, like we get paid to endorse it.



Just look around at the people that hated the hype, that are now avid salesmen for Zaino....



I did a TON of research on what works, looks, and lasts all in one product line, and EVERYTHING I've read led me to Zaino.



I mean, why bother belonging to a detailing website if you didn't want to take anyone elses advice?



Try it once, and you'll see why the exstatic testamonies exist.
 
I just assumed that since you were implying that there are too many steps, that it meant it was more difficult than other sealants to use.



Why not give it a try, then be the judge yourself?
 
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