Brad B
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Just to add a little fire to the "test" you guys are doing. I see at least one of you is shampooing with Z7. You realize, don't you that that will skew the gloss/durability results you are getting don't you? :nixweiss
z-2+z-5+Blackfire= happy me!
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imported_memnuts
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Metallic Mike said:
LMAO! I notice you don't mention being alcohol-free though! Are you trying to say that these experiments are based on drunkeness??
I've heard some things certainly look better while intoxicated, but never a wax! hehehe I wouldn't know anyhow....lol
Just messing with ya....
LOL
I was wondering if you would catch that distinction.
I actually love a beer, glass of wine or drink while I detail. Does it effect my observations. :nixweiss
Having a good weekend dude!!:wavey
imported_memnuts
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Intermezzo said:
Hi Tony, Thanks for the compliment. I remember your thread about the similiarity of BF/Platium and even your question about the similiarity between BF and Souvaran. I am confused by the manufacturer's ads and descriptions. Statements like layerability, polymetric structuring, and durability quotes.
The question you stated are the experiences and data we are trying to uncover. It is nearly impossible to really come to a conclusions of what is occuring with this combo. Is this combo even worth it in terms of other available proven alternatives ( carnuaba alone, Klasse/carnuaba, Zaino @ varying ratios of Z2/Z5)?
Is there abrasive activity occurring with the use of BF:nixweiss . I did a test on non-clearcoated paint and did not detect any color residue or marring. Obviously, there is some type of abrasive material present if it abrided a CD during Steve's test.
Is this abrasiveness enough to remove Zaino or previous layers of BF/Zaino combo. Another:nixweiss
The conclusion after all data and observations are in may reveal the this combo is great for a show appearance ( cruise night) but lousy if your use your car as a daily driver and need lasting protection. We all know how good Zaino is in term of longer term presentation of shine..excellent. BF.... the jury is still out. The combo... the same.
Brad,
The use of Z7 as a wash is only skewing the results if one removes this factor in evaluating Zaino's durability alone. I would not wash with anything else but Z7 on my Zaino'd car and this holds true for the combo. I can not opine about durability and I will not venture to guess. Hopefully, the Z7 shampooing will aid in crosslinking , maintainance of "look" and durability.
I wonder if these type of discussions occurred when the first person topped Klasse with a carnuaba. :wavey
Brad B
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blkZ28Conv said:
I would have been the first to bring it up!
Have fun!imported_Aurora40
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I think the comments about opinions do have some merit. Opinions are certainly useful to guide or direct you to try something in a certain way, or to give you an idea what to expect from trying something. And opinions certainly have a place here on the board. However, opinions will not change what actually happens when you try something.
Opining that Zaino and BF won't work together because of silicon/non-silicone, abrasive/non-abrasive or whatever might give you some idea of what to expect, and might lead you not to try it, but it won't change what actually happens if you do. If you try to tell BlkZ28 that what he witnessed didn't actually happen because you are of the opinion that it wouldn't work, then I mean, come on. You might have a hundred reasons why it won't work, but he has the ultimate reason why it will. He actually tried it and it did. And if it happens to last a long time, no opinion can change that either. I think this is what is meant by opinions having zero effective range. However, that doesn't mean they are useless. They are certainly useful in leiu of any real evidence, and perhaps to address problems with real evidence, but they don't have the same credibility as real evidence.
That's just my two cents. :nixweiss
:wavey
Opining that Zaino and BF won't work together because of silicon/non-silicone, abrasive/non-abrasive or whatever might give you some idea of what to expect, and might lead you not to try it, but it won't change what actually happens if you do. If you try to tell BlkZ28 that what he witnessed didn't actually happen because you are of the opinion that it wouldn't work, then I mean, come on. You might have a hundred reasons why it won't work, but he has the ultimate reason why it will. He actually tried it and it did. And if it happens to last a long time, no opinion can change that either. I think this is what is meant by opinions having zero effective range. However, that doesn't mean they are useless. They are certainly useful in leiu of any real evidence, and perhaps to address problems with real evidence, but they don't have the same credibility as real evidence.
That's just my two cents. :nixweiss
:wavey
imported_memnuts
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"Sorry Mike. I should not have probably outlawed opinions. I should have stated that the presentation of unproven relationships ( i.e BF= Platium, BF is/has abrasive(s) and unproven or witnessed incompatibilities (BF & Zaino) is unfair. Poor choice of words on my part "
I saw the error in my opinion on Mike's opinions so I wrote this public apology earlier .
I saw the error in my opinion on Mike's opinions so I wrote this public apology earlier .
jerry@robs
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Aurora40 said:
Y' took the words outta my mouth...
:xyxthumbs BlkZ28 liked it and worked for him... if you don't agree, don't try it, if you're curious, give it a run...