winter tires help...suggestions

ok, so I was in a software training lab today and didn't have a chance to respond. then when I returned home my girlfriend decided we had to have hand rolls and sake right away. so there it is.



a lot of snow is of course relative, but I was talking about 1.5+ feet of new snow over snowpacked roads. the sun shines over 300 days a year here, we're at altitude, and it's also windy in the mountains so the snowpack is often very thick with a glaze over the top. then add last night's snow. I'm also not talking about every day driving roads at around 5.43k ft over sea level. we're talking about maybe twice a week at 8.5k to start and above timberline - and for fun.



around town is far different, at least in around the front range. semi-arid climate equates to very little humidity, lots of sun, and periods of extreme weather, sometmes every day. eight feet of snow over forty-eight hours is the record where I live, but reality is that I drive quite a bit in moderate temps and dry roads and when I need it the immediacy is real. not that I commute when there's weather, but it's a 75 mph commute down the front range, which is beautiful and really hazardous (windy). any small front brings six or eight inches and twice that without a second thought.



so I hate saying this, but I can't honestly give you what I'd consider a current assessment of nokian / blizzak standards v. sipe / compound technology with michelin and dunlop on ice. my cars are different, and I'm not in the mountains as often, certainly not to the same extreme. but if you haven't tried the new stuff, I'll admit I laughed out loud the first time I tested the alpins on ice at about thirty mph. I slammed the brakes on ice and the car just stopped dead. flew forward in the seats, environment locked, the whole deal, and that was the first bad night out and I'd just avoided so many others out skating up and over the top of a fairly large hill in the countryside.



esp argument aside, the deal is that it ain't a $15 polish you're trying, it's your life at stake. tell you what... after sampling aplins and m3's (not a small investment any way you look at it), I'm not going back.



on the nordic front, I'll be in stockholm for a week and an hour south of copenhagen for several days in early december, so I'd be happy to report what happens in real extremes.
 
ramp said:
Why don't you tell that to Luke at The Tire Rack. I can't imagine what would motivate a tire professional like him to lie to me about something like that--especially when it resulted in TTR getting a lot less $$$ from me by recommending the X-Ice. He actually said that my car "would hate Blizzaks." I have no reason to make that up. But as I said, why don't you tell Luke of your concern: Luke@tirerack.com

If Luke jumped off a bridge, would you? Take a step back, and re-read what you are actually writing. You are basically saying that cars with ESP, will only work well with certain tires. I have pushed several cars with ESP to the point of having it activate, on dry, wet, and snowy roads. I can tell you, ESP would do the exact same thing no matter what tires are on the car.



TTR might have gotten less money from you, but what are the profit margins between the X-Ice and Blizzak? If you don't know, then you can't say Luke didn't benefit more even though you spent less.



Do you know what their inventories are looking like, maybe TTR had alot of X-Ice, and only a few Blizzaks left?



Maybe Michelin has a promotion of sort to push retailers to sell Michelin tires?



There are alot of factors other than the price you pay for Luke to recommend the X-Ice. It could be as easy as the X-Ice being better suited. But not because of ESP.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Well, in my case, the nod went to the SI&S...details here.

Well, as I said in the other thread: Anxious to hear how those Hakka's preform...



For summer, I recommend Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3's. I have them on my car and really love them. Although, by March there may be whole new lines of great summer tires.



Almost imposible to set off my ESP w/ the F1's... ; )
 
IMO, I love the blizzaks.

My first experience was with a car I had 6 years ago. When Blizzaks first started becoming popular around here, in Erie PA. I love them. I think they were the MS-05's. They were great in snow and Ice. I had the car for 2 years and then sold it with the tires which were still good. Now on my current car I have the MS-50 blizzaks. I love these just the same if not better. Just last week we got hit with snow and with the warm pavement it turned to ice. I still had my summer tires on coming home from work. I didn't think I was going to make it home, sliding everywhere. I got home put the blizzaks on and did some running around. What a difference!! I could go when I wanted to and stop when I wanted to stop. I had great traction.

Another example. I work for a school dist. and my commute is about 15 miles one way. I have been plowing snow for them for about 7 years. When I"m on my way to work to plow at 1 or 2 in the morning the road are NOT PLOWED and have a layer of ice on the bottom!! I have never had a problem as long as I have my blizzaks on. This will be my third year with this car and still have well over half tread life. The roads can be terrible here and I will go where ever I want with no problems except having to worring about the other idiots in the 4 wheel drives flying past me.

I can't say much about the other tires mentioned here since I haven't used them. A family member has the Micheln Aplines on a Dodge Stratus and loves them. His wife is a fast driver and ditched a few cars. She hasn't had any problems with the stratus since the Aplines have been on. I think she's on her third year with them.



I think most of these tires are pretty close in perfromance in ice and snow, just pick the one that you think best suits your driving style and you should be happy. Just stay away from studded tires IMO. Sure they stop good on Ice, they are digging right into the ice and also the pavement and whatever else you run over and kick up scratching the H*#@ out of your rocker panels on your car. Studed tires work I just think they cause a lot of damage in the process. To the roads and your car!!



Chubs
 
well very cool. I'll be anxious to hear how they perform all around with an r rating.



and so the question... how much more?
 
yeah guys so anyway,,,



I decided on Kuhmo KW-19's...but were sold out completely. I 2nd choiced the TOyo Observes, but on back order until mid december....



I then went for the Michelin REVO 1, but no one around here has heard of them yet....



So, i wasnt happy with myself but I settled for a pair of crappy "WinterKings", by BF Goodrich. I'll use these for this winter then scrap'em and start a new search next fall for better tires.



The winterkings are mushy and gives my car a wagging tail, but relatively quiet. they are approved winter tire in Canada with "mountain and snow flake" symbol.



thnks for all the input (4 pages!!!)
 
The REVO 1s are Blizzaks, made by Bridgestone.



I hope the Winterkings work out for you. I've never heard of them, but the "mushy" comment is all I need to hear. That's exactly the characteristic I wanted to avoid when purchasing snow tires.
 
marko said:
and so the question... how much more?



I presume that question was asked pertaining to my post in the other thread, where I commented that the Nokian Hakkapeliita RSi's cost a bit more than the other SI&S tires. Well, the WS-50, REVO 1, and X-Ice were $80-90 a corner at Tire Rack. They just starting carrying the Dunlop M3 in her size, that was $107 or something. The Hakka's will be about $113 after the "early-bird" discount, but no shipping charges, although I will have to pay sales tax. After I had ordered the tires from a local chain (STS) I finally got a call back from a small tire store chain in MI that (only sort-of, apparently) does internet sales (it's really phone, since you have to call for pricing and ordering online is basically email) and they wanted $120 ea. with free shipping and of course no tax from out of state.



Sorry if I hijacked, steck.
 
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