Where went the love for Menzerna polishes?

Lonnie said:
Are Jescar`s compounds and polishes "different" than Menzerna`s or do they use the same micro-abrasives with "different" suspension carriers and lubricants?
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Now it sounds like you`re gunning for...

Lonnie said:
Ah, yes, a trip down Autopia memory lane: the "flaming" (remember that term?) and detailing soap opera, "you are a detailing moron", and banning that went on.
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I`m sure Jescar says they are different...and I`m sure there are others who will say they aren`t.
 
Bill D said:
I’m glad I have a gallon of it since TOL is no more
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Irene Bernardo had to close down Top Of The Line due to illness. She has ALS as many of you know. I was able to talk Irene into carrying Menzerna and a few other "boutique" products and just before she closed up I got a can of Trade Secret paste wax...it will be a keepsake for many years to come.

I started out with Irene when she only had a mailed out catalog which was just stapled sheets of paper, she was so excited when we spoke on the phone back then about getting on the internet with her very own webpage! She visted and we had a great time, she is someone I admire for her personality, dedication and kindness. She wanted me to take over TOL but I had to turn that down and I regret doing so but at that time it just wasn`t in the cards.

Hi-Temp products had some items I really liked, back then there was a wheel cleaner and tire dressing that worked great but due to the VOC stuff they stopped making them. I also loved her early Egyptian cotton towels because they looked so nice, buff color with red edged stitching and worked great as a wax remover. Then one day she called me excited about some new towels coming out called..."microfiber", ya I been at this that long! She sent me a few to test out for her cause she said the claims sounded to good to be true, lol:)

Merry Christmas all,
Anthony
 
The filling ability of Menzerna`s po106FF caused huge headaches for me and I`ve never used their products since...not that I never would or anything.

Anthony O.- I share your fond memories of doing business with Irene and the rest of the folks at TOL. She was *very* helpful without being caught up in the "this product is *BEST* because I say so" that`s so common. I still keep some of those old catalogs of hers around...too bad you couldn`t take over but I sure understand.

Heh heh, I still keep the older Cyclo in its TOL box :D The guys at CycloToolmakers even preserved it and shipped the unit back to me in it when servicing that unit (which, incredibly, they said it didn`t really need).

And I *just* used up the last of my TOL Wheel Cleaner earlier this year.

Those "buff with red" towels were also available from Emmons Coachworks (since we`re doing the Memory Lane thing..) and were indeed very good as cotton goes (better than the reserged Charismas that Kevin Overall sold).

DBAILY- There were a few color/scent versions of the HT-23 but IME they all worked the same. I just recently used up the last of my *really* old "orange-pink" version from maybe `83-4. I do sometimes wonder whether Eraser/etc. might work better, but will probably never find out first-hand.

Setec Astronomy- Yeah...sigh, I used to have maybe six different prep solvents on the shelf. Fave pre-VOC was Wurth Cleans-All/CleanSolve, probably still have enough for this lifetime.

Lonnie- Yes indeed, Kevin`s reasoned approach to this stuff was a breath of fresh air, even though his experiences sometimes differ from mine. Gee, I haven`t talked with him since forever...
 
There are so many choices it was foolish for them to make my decision difficult by changing the numbers every 6 months.

Not a bad product(s), just terrible marketing imo
 
Don`t know how it is now days with the Jescar / Menzerna USA and Menzerna . What I know of so did Jescar/Menzerna USA some of the abrasives in some of the products even used in EU. And Powerlock I think is a developed product by Jescar. Don`t know if Jescar has bought in and used any abrasives from Menzerna in their own line up of polishes. And the rumors is that also the PBMG polishes uses the Menzerna developed abrasives in their polishes. If that`s true my thinking goes why should a company well knowned to manufactures and mills their own abrasives and also sells to other brands. Make the abrasives better than the abrasives they uses in their products. Have not used any the PBMG polishes. But would be interesting to hear those that have used any of these and if it`s like any of the Menzerna polishes. Then it`s a possibility that PBMG polishes uses some other companies made abrasives in some products too. As it`s not that many companies that does the abrasives with the developing and manufacturing of them. Tac System is a brand that manufactures a lot of their own products like abrasives and also ceramic coatings and other products. But they can also take in products manufactured outside of them to get the complete line up of detailing products.

Since I started about 3 years ago there have not been much of changing with the product names on Menzerna. They had just made the big change then and they cleared out the shelfs then so there where both lines of products which some where the same. But during that time and back some years the developing of abrasive technology was in a high pace. Mostly the big change was they where going over to water/solvent emulssions. So say that they are water based is not so true actually. As they developed the water and solvent and petroleum emulssions fastly. Then the polishing oils needed to be working with the emulssions and then to not be haveing the silicone in them I think was a trouble to sort out so it didn`t dusted so much. Think that M105 is a water emulssion polish and no silicone in it and that`s a problem with the dusting. The M100 and M101 I think is petroleum/solvent based still. And with the newer technology they got the M110 water emulssion and silicone free with no dusting. Sonax stepped up a lot with their Profiline polishes I think as they where not so good more than 10 years and back. Compared to Scholl and Menzerna and other German brands.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
Jescar makes their own here in the US while Menzerma is still made in Germany and I can testify to the differences between the two.
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Made in the US? I don`t remember Jescar/Menzerna USA ever claiming that they made any polishes here, only that Menzerna Germany made them to their specification. Now FMJ/Powerlock, which was/is a product that didn`t exist in the Menzerna line, was "made" by Jescar/Menz USA, I don`t think they ever said where.

The US distribution of Menz has been very complicated over the time I`ve been a member here.
 
SWETM said:
Don`t know how it is now days with the Jescar / Menzerna USA and Menzerna . What I know of so did Jescar/Menzerna USA some of the abrasives in some of the products even used in EU. And Powerlock I think is a developed product by Jescar. Don`t know if Jescar has bought in and used any abrasives from Menzerna in their own line up of polishes. And the rumors is that also the PBMG polishes uses the Menzerna developed abrasives in their polishes. If that`s true my thinking goes why should a company well knowned to manufactures and mills their own abrasives and also sells to other brands. Make the abrasives better than the abrasives they uses in their products. Have not used any the PBMG polishes. But would be interesting to hear those that have used any of these and if it`s like any of the Menzerna polishes. Then it`s a possibility that PBMG polishes uses some other companies made abrasives in some products too.
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I think Jescar has always been pretty transparent about Menz making their polishes for them (although I don`t see any mention of it on their website right now). They were also pretty transparent that the sealants (as well as a couple of other products) have nothing to do with Menz Germany.

PBMG has also been pretty forthcoming with the fact that some of their polishes are made for them by Menzerna--for certain lines it`s a selling point, for instance it goes along with the German theme in the Wolfgang product line.
 
Are you just noticing now that this is a RETAIL space. And just like any other CONSUMER situation things come and go as new and perceived better things come out. Consumers have the attention span of a goldfish and AG/Autopia are not immune to it.
 
Menzerna is my default.

Very reliable in terms of performance. In terms of finishing, I find Menzerna to be of particular importance in my process. For instance, there are times where one of my very favorite products - 3D One, just isn`t able to finish out on soft black; PF2500, and SF4000 have no problem bringing home the gloss.

In terms of cutting FG400 usually has enough muscle to get most jobs done.

I do use Rupes abrasives.

I have 3D One and have been impressed to the point where I will be picking up the ACA liquids.

That being said, I can`t see me a situation where Menzerna isn`t in my arsenal.
 
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