Where went the love for Menzerna polishes?

I switched to Prep Wash/Klean after Accumulator recommended it. I haven’t used Prep-All in ages.
 
I think it was in 08-09 about the Menzerna "scandal" that some polishes didn`t work as well as people thought because of the filling that was going on. He was banned because David B. just wanted no one to question anything about some products and also He was just starting to work for CMA like I was. For many years alot of products going back 30 yrs were filling in but no one ever question it and alot of shops didn`t care. I myself was banned from here by David B. because I call him out on a few things.
 
To answer the OP.... competition, technology and more available options have thinned out the love. The name changes also got sickening. I still like 2500 and 3800. But I have other compounds and polishes that I like better then current Menzerna offerings.
J
3D, Sonax, Griots and even new Meg’s(110 and 210) have all offered some really nice products in the past few years to really take away some of the market share Menzerna was enjoying.
 
Old Pirate said:
He was banned because David B. just wanted no one to question anything about some products and also He was just starting to work for CMA like I was. I myself was banned from here by David B. because I call him out on a few things.
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David B. was pretty capricious, but Todd was the forum darling at that time, people lived and breathed his product choices, it was wrong for him to suddenly have CMA products in every picture and not disclose that he was now working for CMA. He was not the only one--we went through that issue here as an "open" forum that we had a lot of people who were beta testers or had other relationships with manufacturers or resellers that didn`t disclose it, and it was really ethically improper for people to be giving "impartial opinions" under those circumstances. Most of the "Zaino Zealots" turned out to be beta-testers for Sal.

That was a long time ago and water under the bridge, and as you alluded to David B. wanted to hawk his products and not have his competition doing the same thing...depending on what year it was. We used to see-saw between "this is an open forum and you can talk about anything and any product" to "you can only talk about non-ACC products if they are a paying sponsor" to "posters have to disclose their relationships to manufacturers". To be fair there was some ethically improper stuff being done, like Meguiar`s giving out all their new products to people on the condition that reviews be written on all of them, and then you would be on the list to get all the new products next year too. And there was no disclosure with that. People (probably) wanted to give a good review so they would get a big box of new, free products next year. Situations like that led to today where people are pretty transparent about stating if they have been given a product for free to review.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
David B. was pretty capricious, but Todd was the forum darling at that time, people lived and breathed his product choices, it was wrong for him to suddenly have CMA products in every picture and not disclose that he was now working for CMA. He was not the only one--we went through that issue here as an "open" forum that we had a lot of people who were beta testers or had other relationships with manufacturers or resellers that didn`t disclose it, and it was really ethically improper for people to be giving "impartial opinions" under those circumstances. Most of the "Zaino Zealots" turned out to be beta-testers for Sal.

That was a long time ago and water under the bridge, and as you alluded to David B. wanted to hawk his products and not have his competition doing the same thing...depending on what year it was. We used to see-saw between "this is an open forum and you can talk about anything and any product" to "you can only talk about non-ACC products if they are a paying sponsor" to "posters have to disclose their relationships to manufacturers". To be fair there was some ethically improper stuff being done, like Meguiar`s giving out all their new products to people on the condition that reviews be written on all of them, and then you would be on the list to get all the new products next year too. And there was no disclosure with that. People (probably) wanted to give a good review so they would get a big box of new, free products next year. Situations like that led to today where people are pretty transparent about stating if they have been given a product for free to review.
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Wasn`t around yet for all of that but sure sounds like an `interesting` time...
 
Heh heh...yeah, PrepSol, Prep-All, PreKleano, CleanSolve, CleansAll...we *are* dating ourselves here! Those did work well though and I never had any issues (paint swelling/softening, etc.) using them.

Setec Astronomy- I can`t remember what the production-line polishers were, but yeah IIRC they were some kind of high-po pneumatics. Guess they`d have to be for that incredibly thick foam pad to correct the harder clears.

And yeah, I`d think that most Pros could get by with the BOSS line (I haven`t tried them either), but every now and then I find myself reaching for some now-oddball from Hi-Temp or 3M and I wonder what I`d ever do without it. Since Pros run into more weird one-off situations, well...good to have options.

[INSERT expression of respect for Pros HERE]

Stokdgs- AFAIK NextZett doesn`t make, or at least import to US, stuff like the old ProLine Metallic Polish or WaxPolishSoft, both of which I still use/like.

It was well over 20 years ago that I got my first bottle of TOL`s PrepWash, forget what it was called then (Prep All? Eh, maybe not since Bill D remembers something else by that name...at least it kept the same part# all this time). Seemed safer, and *was* cheaper, and the shop didn`t smell like the solvent all the time.
 
I just remember it also being called Akrya Klean. I’m away from home at the moment so I can’t refer to what my bottle says, which is newer than Accumulator’s
 
Bill D said:
I just remember it also being called Akrya Klean. I’m away from home at the moment so I can’t refer to what my bottle says, which is newer than Accumulator’s
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OK, since I`m not away from home I might as well go out to the shop and see..

My oldest bottle is called Remove All. It was orange-pink back then. Sheesh, the stuff I don`t throw away :o

The AkyraKlean name was used in-between that and Prep Wash.
 
The last time I polished with Menzerna, I was satisfied with its oil-removing ability. Whenever the next time I will polish will be, I am definitely going to use it in between steps to check my work and look for holograms.
 
While we`re into prep-wipe trivia, Mike Phillips says that Dr. G created Klean-Strip Prep-All when he worked for the company that makes it between working at PPG and starting his own company.
 
Let`s not forget about Dupont 3900S First Klean...

Came a while after Y3919S Prep-Sol, probably to satisfy the newer regs regarding these cleaners, thinners, reducers, that were all going bye-bye...

Regarding the Klean-Strip product - wow - figures Dr. David Ghodoussi would have something to do with that, seeing that the BARR company, who makes the Klean-Strip product/s is also located in Memphis, Tennessee, the home of Optimum Products...
Dan F
 
This is what Menzerna has been doing the last years. The naming part has been done to steer it to the consumer. For those who use rotary in production and detailing industry. For the use of foam cutting pads and up you have HC1000 MC2500 FF3000. If use wool pads the alternatives are HC1100 MC2200 FF3000.

Some are wet sanding towards a finer grit so they can use a medium cut polish to remove the sanding marks or have light defects. MC2500 is the base medium cut polish that leaves a glossy finish. MC2200 is the one if you want to get a little higher cut. MC2400 is more liquid and suits SS paints and dry and oxidized b/c paints. They work with both rotary and orbital polishers.

The classic swirl remover that leaves a high gloss is FF3000. Haze and hologram remover. Now don`t blame me cause this is Menzernas description LOL. SF3500 for a brilliant deep gloss. SFP3800 for a show car finish. All works with rotary and orbital polishers.

SHC300 for maximum abrasion and fast cutting and removes p1500 sanding marks. Used with foam cutting pad or wool cutting pad on rotary and orbital polishers. Diminishing abrasives gets you so you can use the SF3500 finishing polish for a brilliant deep gloss hehe.
HC400 is their one step compound that gets you finishing gloss. Also works with rotary and orbital polishers.

If I`m not wrong all polishes are know water based and they are silicone free. Which makes them easier to work with and dust free. I think also they tune the formula. For an example HC400 when it where FG400 could in high humidity environment get lumps from. And think that is taken care of now days. Maybe if it`s extreme environments there are problems of some kind. But which is totally problem free in any environment.

They are color coded with the name of the polish on the polish on the bottle and the first number on the 4 digits ones.

Red foam pad and wool pad: SHC300 HC400 HC1000 HC1100

Yellow foam pad: MC2500 MC2400 MC2200

Light green foam pad: FF3000 SF3500 SFP3800

Light blue foam wax pad: Power Lock, Liquid Carnuaba, Sealing Wax

3 in 1 One Step Polish: yellow, light green, light blue pads. An example cut SHC300 red pad and 3in1 yellow or green pad and Endless Shine.

Power Protect Ultra 2in1 is a high gloss polish and sealant in one product. An example HC400 red pad and PPU 2in1 green pad. Can be used with the blue wax pad for protection over the finishing polishes.

The source is Menzerna dot com and the pdf about their car polishes products.

If you want a great range of Menzerna polishes to start with and they have the 250ml small bottles. Is HC400 and MC2500 and SF3500. Would you need a heavy cut compound ad SHC300. And would you try out a protection Power Lock or Power Protect Ultra 2in1. Is what I would go with. They also sells theirs abrasives to other brands. But from what polishes they come from or if they do them separately for them I don`t know. If you like to try out polishes Menzerna is definitely a brand to test out.

/ Tony
 
Stokdgs said:
Regarding the Klean-Strip product - wow - figures Dr. David Ghodoussi would have something to do with that, seeing that the BARR company, who makes the Klean-Strip product/s is also located in Memphis, Tennessee, the home of Optimum Products...
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I believe Dr. G got his MBA in Memphis. According to LinkedIn, he worked for Barr for 6 years.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
As do I.



I`m pretty sure I remember Accumulator and Bill D talking about using Prep-All because they could get it, vs. Prep-Sol which you really had to get at a PBE store (of course today you can get anything on the internet). Honestly I don`t remember anyone talking about doing a solvent wipe after polishing until Todd Helme starting talking about Menzerna "filling", in...I guess that would be about 2005? 2006? I mean when I started here there were basically no pictures in threads...GSRStilez was one of the first to popularize it and then Todd set the standard until CMA products started showing up in all his pictures and he got banned. Anyway, that`s the way I recall it, no one was doing a "prep wipe" until Todd questioned...wait, maybe Todd was the one who defended Menzerna, saying it was the lubricating oils that caused the filling, not "fillers".

Well...what I`m saying is I joined in 2004, and sometime after that, a couple of years, was the "scandal" that some polishes didn`t work as well as people thought because of the filling that was going on...that was back when the machines and pads prevented you from doing any real correction with a PC (the only DA at the time), a problem the rotary guys like Todd and Sean didn`t have. What a different time. Who was that other guy? Who was from NJ and moved to San Diego? Umm...memory banks...Dave Saunders...Street Dreams. So many people who have come and gone here.
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Actually I got banned from a few sites because I questioned if Menzerna was causing paint to "swell" and thus giving the appearance that it was removing swirls and imperfections. Some people got upset, even had a contact from Menzera reach out to me...all water under that proverbial bridge now. I use Menzerna still today, I have always liked their stuff. Although I do notice they label their products with "no fillers" :)

Anthony
 
To be honest I shy away from Menzerna products (except I`ll still cut with FG400) if the plan is to apply a ceramic coating. I felt it was easier to just not use it then worry about all the polishing oil/lube being removed.

I had always done a detail spray wipe down after polishing going back to before 2000. Megs Last Touch is what I used to use. I still have probably 2/3 left from the last gallon jug. It was when the coatings came along that I became obsessive about it.

A totally clean surface just has to be better no matter what LSP is going on top.
 
The TOL prep wash/silicone remover gallon jug I still have is green liquid. I put a few drops in with my homemade Eraser mixture made with 91% IPA, M37 N-914
 
Ah, yes, a trip down Autopia memory lane: the "flaming" (remember that term?) and detailing soap opera, "you are a detailing moron", and banning that went on. Made for some "interesting" and "entertaining" reading of some very long thread "discussions".. A lot of conjecture and personal judgment trying to sort out truth from fiction and right from wrong, especially before the days of posting pics.
Probably some of the best "discussions" are from resident Autopian mathematician and physicist Kevin Brown and his detailing renowned "Kevin Brown Method" for using Megs M105 and M205 and his insight on DA orbital motions and stroke.in conjunction with pad diameter.

That, and pre-VOC paint prep solvents. My stash is PPG`s Acryli-Clean DX 330 and Ditz-O DX 440. Not much left of either in quart cans. Excellent wax and grease removers.

Are Jescar`s compounds and polishes "different" than Menzerna`s or do they use the same micro-abrasives with "different" suspension carriers and lubricants?
 
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