What to use after SMR??

Daryl Morse- The IHG-GEPC sequence is a bit easier than the 3-glaze sequence we were kicking around. Use the GEPC first as its (very) mild abrasives will smooth out the paint a little as its fillers do their thing. The IHG will then additionally fill in whatever flaws are left. There shouldn't be any bonding issues with the IHG being directly under the P21S as IHG has been used under waxes for ages. If you contact P21S about this sequence, keep in mind that it's in their best interest to always say "use GEPC before/under or wax" ;) BTW, your plan to take it to a pro if your SMR doesn't fix it might be a good idea, IF you have a pro you can trust.
 
Accumulator said:
Daryl Morse- The IHG-GEPC sequence is a bit easier than the 3-glaze sequence we were kicking around. Use the GEPC first as its (very) mild abrasives will smooth out the paint a little as its fillers do their thing. The IHG will then additionally fill in whatever flaws are left. There shouldn't be any bonding issues with the IHG being directly under the P21S as IHG has been used under waxes for ages. If you contact P21S about this sequence, keep in mind that it's in their best interest to always say "use GEPC before/under or wax" ;) BTW, your plan to take it to a pro if your SMR doesn't fix it might be a good idea, IF you have a pro you can trust.
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Daryl,

I totally agree with Accumulator and your idea about taking to a professional to clear up any marring beyond SMR's and your ability to use stronger surface prep systems. As Accumulator stated find someone with this ability that you trust.

The GEPC than IHG topped with P21S wax will look great and will not present any problems. Just be careful that you do not re-create any surface marring during their applicator. Neither product will do such a thing but the ability of dirt/dust to get on surface, especially if performed outside, could cause marring. Also a soft foam applicator would be all you need for these 2 products. If you have a camera take some before and after pictures and post if possible.

Have fun and enjoy the project and the results.:wavey
 
This is GREAT Who would of thought that some people would have put so much importance on finish care. I love it I thought that I was the only one Now I find that their are people all over the US UK and CANADA that think like me Its ashame that some of us cant meet . Im sure we would become good friends. Birds of a feather fly togetcher
 
I've learned so much from this thread already- I'm sure you're right, lawrencea- it would be nice to meet others who share this enthusiasm, as opposed to everyone I speak to who thinks I'm a nut.

If my Zaino doesn't meet my expectations, I'll definately be givning P21S a try.

Thanks, guys.
 
I sent an email to P21S to ask them about the composition of GEPC with respect to abrasives and fillers.



The reply was:
We do not discuss ingredients composition for reasons of confidentiality, but can tell you that the P21S GEPC is at the very mild end of the spectrum, which is where one should always start and then work up.
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I mentioned the interest in this was respect to 3M IHG.



The reply was:
Referencing the 3M product you mentioned, the GEPC is slightly less abrasive that the 3M IHG.
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I thought that might be of interest. Comments, anyone?
 
Daryl Morse said:
I sent an email to P21S to ask them about the composition of GEPC with respect to abrasives and fillers.



The reply was:I mentioned the interest in this was respect to 3M IHG.



The reply was:I thought that might be of interest. Comments, anyone?
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This is probably why from my usage of VM, 3M IHG and P21S GEPC I always finish with GEPC. From my observations when GEPC is used as the last step seems to produces the highest gloss.

Of course, I always believed that 3M IHG ( used mostly for its filling capacity) was the least abrasive but my results may illustrate otherwise.:nixweiss



Thanks for sharing this info, Daryl :xyxthumbs
 
Gotta disagree here. GEPC first then the glaze. I tried IHG at the weekend and found it a pain.



My results have found GEPC leaves the suface very slick, but applying Megs no 7 or hand polish over the top adds wetness to the look. IHG however seemed to detract from the GEPCs look, but hand polish improved it.



I dont have SMR, i have megs swirl free. After megs swirl free, then GEPC, and then megs hand polish topped with P21s or s100 results are amazing.
 
after washing:



SMR

BF gloss enhancing polish

BF allfinish paint protection x 3 layers

top with souveran carnuaba wax



any suggestions?
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Please post your results. Sorry for triggering your "seek the truth" gene but some reason I believe you love this type of ndeavor.
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The testing and comparing was delayed until I could get into town and pick up a halogen obsession light. Platinum Ultimate Paint Pre-Cleaner (PUPP-C) and P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser (GEPC) were tried both before and after 3M Imperial Hand Glaze (IHG). Four adjacent 6� test areas (a thru d) were used on my Jet Black paint and the test was repeated on three different locations on the car. All three locations yielded similar results.



area a: GEPC (2X) then IHG (2X)

area b: PUPP-C (2X) then IHG (2X)

area c: IHG (2X) then GEPC (2X)

area d: IHG (2X) then PUPP-C (2X)



After the initial two applications of the cleaners and glaze (not topped) the IHG had much higher gloss than the cleaners. Both cleaners left a slightly hazy look, but it was too fine too get a good focus with either loupe. The GEPC left a little more oil on the surface and felt a little slicker than PUPP-C. The slight hazing was just barely visible in sunlight, but was readily apparent with the halogen lamp. It was difficult to discern any difference in how the cleaners and IHG handled the underlying micro-marring - but obviously the cleaners did some polishing while the IHG only filled.



After the first step then the test areas were appropriately topped. Now there was very little difference in the finished appearance - almost a tie, but maybe the IHG topped areas had a slightly better gloss. Then I wiped the test areas with Z-7 (should have used a different QD on each of test locations, but didn’t think of it at the time), and now the difference was more visible, but only with the obsession light. In direct sunlight I had to get my eye line at the correct angle to see that IHG topping had even a slight edge. I’m assuming that the change after QD’ing was because their oils had been filling the fine hazing left by the cleaners.



This playing confirms my belief that IHG contains no abrasives. At this point I’m starting to think that PUPP-C may be my preference replacing GEPC - a little less oil residue. My preferred sequence remains: SMR, cleaner (GEPC or PUPP-C), then IHG. YMMV!



BTW, buying that halogen lamp may have been a big mistake - - it makes me think that maybe I should take all of the sealants, etc. off of the car and start over again!
 
RichPug306xsi said:
Gotta disagree here. GEPC first then the glaze. I tried IHG at the weekend and found it a pain.



My results have found GEPC leaves the suface very slick, but applying Megs no 7 or hand polish over the top adds wetness to the look. IHG however seemed to detract from the GEPCs look, but hand polish improved it.



I dont have SMR, i have megs swirl free. After megs swirl free, then GEPC, and then megs hand polish topped with P21s or s100 results are amazing.
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Ah, I still have a bottle of Meg's #7 left... was disappointed with it after my second use of it and bought S100 SEPC which made a dramatic difference...did it add any depth too? I may as well use it, too, in my next wash since it's just lying around...or would it possibly muddy up the paint and detract from shine?
 
As usual excellent format and experiment.:bow :bow :bow.

You know what this data means? I must go home a try the GEPC then IHG sequencing on the rear spoiler and trunk lid and top with EX/Souveran/P21S. It has been raining here for the last 4 days and will for another 3 days. This will be a perfect time to see if I can refine my regimen using your data and observations.:xyxthumbs
 
Steve emailed me that my EX should be here on Monday, or maybe even Friday. I'm really anxious to start playing with EX!
 
stoneweed1 said:
the search seems to be down



anyone with a BRIEF answer to the differences between SCRATCH-X and SMR?
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SMR works towards eliminating the swirl (marring) of an area (spot) or entire vehicle.

Scratch-X works more towards spot-filling of marred area. Few use Scratch-X to do entire vehicle



SMR should be followed-up with a paint cleanser to rejuveniate the high gloss of your finish and final swirl filling.
 
Hmmmmm, I wonder how Vanilla Moose Polish/glaze, after SMR, but before and after IHG would work, or SMR, IHG, then Vanilla Moose, finished with Moose Wax???
 
I think that using s.m.r. v.m. and s100 or s.m.r. g.e.p.c. and s100 will give you a fantastic finish putting on coat after coat of more glaze is not going to do any good ,its just going to give you more work. nobody will notice. If you must use more glaze ( meg.#7--I.H.G.) give Mothers sealer and glaze a try all the gloss and wetnes much less work and no streakes.
 
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