What is black, puts 600+ horses to the ground, and is swirl -free? *56K* No

You figure you loose what 10% to 20% from the crank to the wheels. That means that car is over 700hp at the crank, thats amazing power for something street legal
 
ebpcivicsi said:
BTW, is there anything that anyone knows of that finishes down like FP-II, but without the dust? Or is it unique in its' abilities?
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Very nice work EBP, you know I'm a fan of this detail... :bigups



I have no dusting from PO85RD. Are you getting dusting from FPII? Today I used Prime Strong on my Mom's 05 and had no dusting.



PM if you want to try some PO85RD...
 
Thanks everyone!!



Sphilcy, I didn't use a wheel cleaner as these wheels *seemed* to be brand new. I just washed with car wash soap and blew them dry--I did use the EZ detail brush to clean the back sides. No metal polish on these wheels.



I am new to Menzerna line, but with my limited use I will say that the 3M PI-III MG has a bit more cut (along the same lines of #80, but without the initial "hard" cut if #80), and will not finish at the same level. Now I didn't try the 3M product because the FP-II worked so well, but judging by my past experience with it, I think FP-II is a bit more mild and leaves a better finish. Perhaps someone with more experience with both products can shed some more light on the subject.



Tasty, I did--I hit it with some NXT metal polysh. :nixweis





Reflections, I just spray with APC, agitate, then rinse with pressure washer. Does that make sense?



Thanks everyone!!
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I am new to Menzerna line, but with my limited use I will say that the 3M PI-III MG has a bit more cut ..[than FPII].. I think FP-II is a bit more mild and leaves a better finish. Perhaps someone with more experience with both products can shed some more light on the subject...
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I've only used the FPI but AFAIK the cut is basically the same between the two versions.



Remember when I mentioned the MG in refernce to my S8? I used it after the true corrective work to remove micromarring. It left a nice finish but not as good as I wanted (it's good enough for my minivan though ;) ). I used the Meznerna FP and it looked better-and not just "polished another time better". So yeah, FP finishes out finer than the 05937 does.



After using the FP, I then tried the 1z Pro MP and it looked even better than the FP did. That was when I got sold on the PI-III MG/1Z Pro MP progression for my final polishing steps. Haven't touched the FP since as I don't see any advantage over the 1Z Pro MP, but that'd be different if the stuff the Pro MP leaves behind were to be a problem for some reason.



I hear they might not have discontinued the 1Z Pro MP after all, I think it's PakShack that still has it. Might be worth trying sometime, it's still my favorite final polish.
 
Accumulator said:
I've only used the FPI but AFAIK the cut is basically the same between the two versions.



Remember when I mentioned the MG in refernce to my S8? I used it after the true corrective work to remove micromarring. It left a nice finish but not as good as I wanted (it's good enough for my minivan though ;) ). I used the Meznerna FP and it looked better-and not just "polished another time better". So yeah, FP finishes out finer than the 05937 does.



After using the FP, I then tried the 1z Pro MP and it looked even better than the FP did. That was when I got sold on the PI-III MG/1Z Pro MP progression for my final polishing steps. Haven't touched the FP since as I don't see any advantage over the 1Z Pro MP, but that'd be different if the stuff the Pro MP leaves behind were to be a problem for some reason.



I hear they might not have discontinued the 1Z Pro MP after all, I think it's PakShack that still has it. Might be worth trying sometime, it's still my favorite final polish.
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Hmm, interesting. Do you have any idea how the pro differs from the version that I have (retail?)?



Do you think that the pro version is "functionally abrasive" ;) enough to remove mild buffer swirls left over from say PI-III MG or OP @1500 RPM's on black paint? I would be using it via cyclo or PC with a mild polishing pad.



I need some new MF for *my* paint anyways, may need to throw in the 1Z pro MP too. :D
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Hmm, interesting. Do you have any idea how the pro differs from the version that I have (retail?)?



Do you think that the pro version is "functionally abrasive" ;) enough to remove mild buffer swirls left over from say PI-III MG or OP @1500 RPM's on black paint? I would be using it via cyclo or PC with a mild polishing pad.



I need some new MF for *my* paint anyways, may need to throw in the 1Z pro MP too. :D
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Note that the following is based on the Pro MP I bought last year and I dunno if they've monkeyed with it since....



The Pro stuff is in the round 1 liter can. The Consumer stuff is in the smaller rectangular can. The Pro stuff is more abrasive and has less wax- only a synthetic as opposed to the Consumer's natural/synthetic blend IIRC (but I wouldn't bet my life).



Using the 1Z Pro MP to remove super-light micromarring from 05937 is *just* the sort of thing I was thinking of. Same general functional application as FP. I haven't done any side-by-sides between 1Z Pro MP and FP but I'm pretty confident about that any how.



I have only used it after other products by PC/Cyclo/hand, not after something done with the rotary. But you could use the Pro MP with a rotary too, I just know my limitations and use the progression that I know will work for me. As with other 1z polishes, when used by rotary you want to keep the rpms down low so it breaks down slowly; don't go over 800 until it's broken down. If you want to try burnishing at a higher speed *after* it's broken down they say you can do it, but I've never tried.



FWIW, what I do is use the rotary for most correction (05933/05937) and then switch to the Cyclo with 05937. Then I use the Pro MP via Cyclo or PC depending on how gentle I want to be. But that'd be an extra step compared to what you're asking about and for you time is money.



Sheesh am I long-winded :o I sincerely doubt that you'd regret the purchase of a can of Pro MP ;)
 
I'm carrying on PMs with Spilchy about the Pro MP. There seems to be a little confusion as to whether the two MPs are still different. I'd look into this before buying (and I'm glad I accumulated a lot of the Pro MP while I still knew what it woud be ;) ).
 
OK, great accumulator, thanks for the info!!



I will make sure that two formulas are *not* the same before ordering.



If it is basically the same level of abrasiveness as FP-II, it should work for me.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
If it is basically the same level of abrasiveness as FP-II, it should work for me.
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Once you determine if that's true/not, I'd appreciate your opinion. I can't help but think how my experience with the FP was just *so* limited that I feel like I'm not just guessing but not as positive as I'd like to be either.



I do think you'd need to watch for the concealing abilities of the Pro MP, which aren't an issue with the FP. Never come back to bite me, but it did just occur to me an I wanted to mention it.
 
Accumulator said:
Once you determine if that's true/not, I'd appreciate your opinion. I can't help but think how my experience with the FP was just *so* limited that I feel like I'm not just guessing but not as positive as I'd like to be either.



I do think you'd need to watch for the concealing abilities of the Pro MP, which aren't an issue with the FP. Never come back to bite me, but it did just occur to me an I wanted to mention it.
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I didn't think about that either, but I'll sure give the first few test runs an iso wipe down to be sure.



Sounds like I'll be breaking out the test panels here shortly. :D



I wonder if HT-LC would finish down like FP or the 1Z MP? I keep meaning to test it, but I always forget--it's been a while since I even used it. Seems that the folks at HT have the initial cut/finishing out issue worked out quite well. I'll have to give it a go.



Thanks again!!
 
Spilchy's latest conversation with Mike at 1z makes it sound like the Pro version of MP that I like really *is* out of production. The consumer stuff still isn't bad as long as you don't try to top it with a sealant (I had some bonding issues when I tried that).



It's been forever and a day since I used HT Light Cut, but back then it did *not* finish out nearly as fine as this sort of stuff (FP, MP) at least when used with the Cyclo and green pads; I used to follow the HT LC with a milder final polish and that was when I wasn't nearly as particular as I am now. Good stuff, but not IMO a final polishing product. More like in between 05933 and 05937 but no, I wouldn't compare it with #80 (in case that comes to mind ;) ), they're just too different.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Reflections, I just spray with APC, agitate, then rinse with pressure washer. Does that make sense?



Thanks everyone!!
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It makes sense, but are you rinsing it on to the ground or what? I'm mobile and currently not doing engine bays, but thinking about it so I'm curious about your process.
 
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