Tried HD UNO for the first time ever today.

tuscarora dave

"Luck" Residue of design
Hi to all. Yesterday Barry Theal gave me some HD UNO to play around with. I told my good friend about getting a new product to play around with and he offered up his newly purchased old BMW E-30 as a test subject for today's trial. Overall I am impressed with the way that HD UNO worked out on this red single stage paint. This to my surprise was pretty hard paint for single stage and as you will see it was very oxidized too. The HD UNO is amazing in how it did not dust at all. Usually when someone tells me that a compound doesn't dust at all, the reality of it is that it doesn't dust much. HD UNO really doesn't dust at all!! That's a first in my experience.



While I am a very open minded person who goes outside of the box on a regular basis in many areas of my life, I am still somewhat set in my ways so many of you more experienced HD UNO users may tell me that I used way too much product on this maiden voyage trial of the product. I got my friend to agree to drive the car around like this for a week and show it to anyone who will look at it and then told him I would finish the rest of the car next weekend. The photos will do most of the talking from here.



Here's the test subject, a 1988 BMW E-30 with original single stage red paint on some panels including my test panel.



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The photo above is the best that I could get HD UNO to finish for me on my first time using it. Just to clarify things a little about the amount of product that I used, I used the amounts pictured to buff the entire half of the hood except for with the wool pad cutting step where with all the oxidation I had to spur the pad and add more product a few times as would be expected. All the foam pad work I only loaded the pad one time with product and worked the entire half of the hood.



On the final finishing attempt using the flex and PRO final finishing pad I could not get it to finish without hazing and a lot of micro scratches present in the finish. My pad was clean and was just stained from working on a black single stage car. I tried again and shrunk my working section down to about 15 square inches running the flex at full speed for 4 slow section passes and then reduced the speed in half for an additional 2 slow section passes but the results were the same so I switched to a brand new pad and finished it with M-205 and waxed with AutoGlym HD Wax. Here are the final results.



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I did a lot of reading here about HD UNO last night and had seen a lot of you trying this product also having a hard time finishing with it but then also read a few claiming to have mastered finishing with this product with some practice and tweaks in technique and nailing the right pad selection. Others said that they would continue to try and so will I. I would have liked to have tried out the HD Poxy that Barry gave me but I wanted to wash this entire car after playing around with this test and was afraid that I would wash the HD Poxy back off in doing so. When I do the rest of this car I intend on not only practicing some more at finishing with HD UNO but to try out the HD Poxy as well. Thanks again Barry for being so generous in giving me these products and thanks to the rest of you for reading through this thread.



To the moderators, If I posted this in the wrong section I apologize for doing so and feel free to move it to the correct location.
 
Wow, with as much as you used, I'm surprised you didn't get serious sling! I can't speak for wool as I haven't used it with wool, but you definitely had WAY too much on the foam. Huge difference on the car though! I'm sure you'll get a bit more use out of the stuff!
 
Dan said:
Wow, with as much as you used, I'm surprised you didn't get serious sling! I can't speak for wool as I haven't used it with wool, but you definitely had WAY too much on the foam. Huge difference on the car though! I'm sure you'll get a bit more use out of the stuff!



Yeah I definitely got some sling but it wasn't all that much. The third photo up from the bottom shows the sling that I got on the untouched side of the hood. I'll work with less product next weekend when I do the rest of the car. After spreading that amount of product around the entire half of the hood then working it in it really didn't seem like that much product. I thought the stuff wiped off rather easily too after working it until it was "nearly" invisible. It stayed wet the entire time too which was a surprise to me in direct sunlight.



Thanks for the reply.
 
I find it actually has much more cut when you use less. I don't spread it either, not sure if that's the correct way, but I load the pad up with about 3-4 pea sized dots on a 6.5 pad and then just work it. The stuff is hands down my favorite polish. I wish 3d would come out with a micro-fine like 85RD.
 
"I wish 3d would come out with a micro-fine like 85RD"



I was under the impression, at least that's how its being marketed by 3D, that UNO was a 3-1 polish.



Cut, Polish, Finish.



Just got my bottle of UNO a few days ago, so I will get to do a 3-way compare with Menzerna and P1.
 
Dan said:
I find it actually has much more cut when you use less. I don't spread it either, not sure if that's the correct way, but I load the pad up with about 3-4 pea sized dots on a 6.5 pad and then just work it.



I agree, Dan, but I bet a lot of the volume of product was sucked up in the roughness of the oxidized finish thereby prodicing less sling. It probably needed a lot of polish just to 'overwhelm' the oxidation!



Dave, you certainly won't need as much next time. Great job. It looks really amazing. That cars has some POP now!
 
i'm experiencing the same micro marring as you. on audi and vw paints i wasn't having a problem but on the '01 dodge i'm getting it. on the first section it comes out just fine but after that lots of micro marring.
 
I would leave the hood as is, it's a rolling billboard for you now :)



Great work, that much oxidization would have me scared to attempt a cut on. You also use massive pads, I try to stick to smaller pads because I feel I get a better cut and control over the area I am working. Meaning I don't need to work one area as long as others meaning the time would take about the same as using a larger pad on an area.
 
I polished my Brilliant Black Miata this weekend with UNO and except for the fact that I went over the whole car three times, (orange, green and red 3D pads, it came out quite nicely. I was a little disappointed in the cut to get some of the deeper rids out, so I might try using the MF system next time, but it looks pretty darn good for an amateur. Sealed with NS now, so I won't be polishing again for some time.



Jeff
 
FYI - Sometimes it is the FLEX that can't finish with. Happens here and there for me. I just switch to the PC and you get the finish you are looking for. Must be the forced rotation.



seen a lot of you trying this product also having a hard time finishing with
 
Nice result but waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much UNO used. Don't use like a regular compound/polish.



With UNO, less is more. Use 3 or 4 pea sizes to prime and 2-3 to replenish, and use it on a large area.



The hardest thing about UNO isn't the product, but de-programming your brain to stop following conventional polishing practices.



Remember, use very little! When it feels dry, it's not!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
tdekany said:
FYI - Sometimes it is the FLEX that can't finish with. Happens here and there for me. I just switch to the PC and you get the finish you are looking for. Must be the forced rotation.



I have experienced this as well with other SMAT products. The "hard" throw of the DA is what scours the paint with micromarring.
 
on the dodge i was able to get it to finish of nicely with the flex. for priming i used 3 pea sized drops and only need 1 for each additional section. cleaned (brush thing) after every section and worked great.
 
I want to thank all of you for the suggestions on using Uno. Deprogramming the way I do things is a tough thing to do but I did practice some more with it today on the same car. I did get some not so stellar photos of the results. I switched to an Edge 2000 medium cutting wool pad instead of the heavy cutting Makita wool pad I was using last week. Today I just laid down a bead of Uno and picked it up with the wool pad and worked the other half of the hood for a while and it was turning out surprisingly nice for cutting with a wool pad. I noticed a few tracers left behind on the side that I did last weekend so I also hit that side again to remove them. I then went right to an Edge 2000 foam final finishing pad on the rotary and found that if I sped the machine up to about 2500 RPM that it finished haze and marring free. At the end of the finishing cycle I slowed the speed down to about 1800 RPM for 1 additional pass.



While I don't find HD Uno to be a heavy hitter in the cutting department, I do enjoy using wool pads so it is nice that it works so well with wool and the cut adjusted by selecting a more or less aggressive wool pad. I ordered up 4 new Edge 2000 6" wool pads today to use with HD Uno. I just love the way this stuff works without any dusting at all, I find it amazing actually. I am definitely sold on this stuff. As I said the photos are much lass that stellar because it was dark when I took them. Any haze that you do see in these photos is actually the evening dew beginning to settle on uncured HD Poxy. In person the paint looks just awesome.



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Looks very good Dave!



As far as cutting goes, with the exception of 105 nothing beats HD UNO. I will go as far as say that UNO cuts as well as 105, but takes longer to get the same results. Keep using less and less and UNO will cut for you better and better. It is that simple.
 
So do you think the Uno is doing most of the cutting or is the pad just being lubricated by the Uno at some point and the pad actually doing the work? Just want your knowledge or opinion on this.
 
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