Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

Great little test cups.

STEK Formula Quartz fits hopefully not a pro only. I want to use a coating that comes with a 5-10ml hardener or catalyst There a few out there but they seem like an interesting take and probably a consistent and durable layer is left.

I’ll also take a self leveling coating wipe in on and walk away would be great after polishing and preping no high spot worries. I’m sure manufacturers read these threads once in a while!
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
Reply from US Distributor on the graphene/diamond-powder thing:
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i guess they would rather let the performance of the product speak for itself unlike our good ole buddy Tim of Ethos.

noorth said:
LOL @BudgetPlan1,i probably would`ve of bought Nv Evo either if i knew it had graphene! lol I have the same box that Mike the Guz posted. It indeed states graphene infused.
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Lol didn`t mean to crush your dreams on finding a non-graphene coating.

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Thats interesting about Kenzo. I noticed on Scott H longterm tests that kenzo and SPS graphene are neck to neck on a few youtube updates.

Nv Nova Evo doesn`t have that gray look though. Not sure about IGL Kenzo.

I`m also surprised sandro didn`t mention the graphene in Nv Evo. Thats assuming he`s aware of it.

I jumped the gun again, i just put Evo up to the light! Grayish type substance has settled to the bottom!! Carpro cquartz 3.0 is very clear and water like.

Hilarious i ended up with a graphene infused ninja coating! ::ph34r::ph34r:

I would post a picture but i tried lastnight and it was an headache. Never did figure it out. Chromebooks are a little tricky.
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Kenzo is base and top both have graphene. Top seems to have a little more in it. It is a 2 part coating. Their IGL Quartz+ is the same.
 
The Guz said:
i guess they would rather let the performance of the product speak for itself unlike our good ole buddy Tim of Ethos.
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Really don`t hear too much from him anymore or maybe I`m just not paying attention

We`ll see how the EVO does, graphene, diamond-powder or Nutella-infused. The difference in terminology based on geography is interesting. Nice look, nice application and if you like your plastic trim to have a darker look w a touch of sheen to it, it`ll be a winner in that area. As i pass it more and more and glance at it, it definately darkens the paint more than any other coating I`ve used.
 
Has anyone tried this coating ? [h=1]LABOCOSMETICA (CERAMIC COATING) #SAM 30ML + #HPC 30ML[/h]
They seem make some interesting products especially there new Iron Remover gel. Check them out on You Tube. They talk about 3Ph detail wash starting with alkaline wash then acid PH wash, end with neutral PH wash. I got a bunce of the Pro Detailer magazines from the UK been watching videos and reading. The Italian parent company is Ma-Fra which is old company like Koch Chemie from 1965.

I also watched XaronFR on You Tube he does some videos in English and showed how using the alkaline and acid wash on a ceramic coated truck that hadn`t been washed in 6 months how the beading properties on the sides had greatly diminished. He first washed the coated car Ph neutral soap then did again with Acid wash and all the beading properties came back on the coated Pickup.

BudegetPlan1 you and Mike are the ones that test the most coatings.
 
FunctionalDoc said:
Has anyone tried this coating ? [h=1]LABOCOSMETICA (CERAMIC COATING) #SAM 30ML + #HPC 30ML[/h]
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Never really read that much about that one. Heard of it but never looked into it.

Wonder if we`re getting to the point where new/different coatings really aren`t much of either as far as truly differentiating functionality goes. Not that it`s a bad thing as i`m not sure what more I`d want out of a coating aside from truly exceptional (i.e. PPF-like) self-healing and/or impact resistance.
 
FunctionalDoc said:
Has anyone tried this coating ? LABOCOSMETICA (CERAMIC COATING) #SAM 30ML + #HPC 30ML


They seem make some interesting products especially there new Iron Remover gel. Check them out on You Tube. They talk about 3Ph detail wash starting with alkaline wash then acid PH wash, end with neutral PH wash. I got a bunce of the Pro Detailer magazines from the UK been watching videos and reading. The Italian parent company is Ma-Fra which is old company like Koch Chemie from 1965.

I also watched XaronFR on You Tube he does some videos in English and showed how using the alkaline and acid wash on a ceramic coated truck that hadn`t been washed in 6 months how the beading properties on the sides had greatly diminished. He first washed the coated car Ph neutral soap then did again with Acid wash and all the beading properties came back on the coated Pickup.

BudegetPlan1 you and Mike are the ones that test the most coatings.
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I have not heard of it. A friend of mine just sent me a link to a ceramic brand by the name of Wax Is Dead.
 
Kinda Cured Coatings

Leftover Gloss Shop Titan and NV Nova Evo. Somewhat different outcomes after a week. The Titan (left) is kinda a soft, styrofoam-ish consistency, crumbled when I tried to pop it outta the little plastic cup it was in. The Evo (right) popped out nicely and has the feel of rubber and as the vid shows, flexes a little bit. The Evo is kinda reminiscent of when I did the same thing with leftover IGL Quartz but the IGL was a bit less rubbery/flexible. The crumbly Titan reminds me of when I cut open a can of Gyeon CanCoat and let it cure.

Have no idea of what the differences or or men (if anything) but what the heck...entertainment is where ya find it :lol:


Titan on left, NV Nova on right

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IGL Quartz flexing: https://youtu.be/Iqsn5EhemO0


NV Nova EVO Flexing: https://youtu.be/b-sztH9s2Xc

EDIT: Some info from a Feynlab rep on why some dry as a powder:
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The Wax Is Dead stuff sure looks and reminds me of Ceramic Pro....

I think CP even used the term "Wax Is Dead" in some of their marketing material.
 
FunctionalDoc said:
Has anyone tried this coating ? LABOCOSMETICA (CERAMIC COATING) #SAM 30ML + #HPC 30ML


They seem make some interesting products especially there new Iron Remover gel. Check them out on You Tube. They talk about 3Ph detail wash starting with alkaline wash then acid PH wash, end with neutral PH wash. I got a bunce of the Pro Detailer magazines from the UK been watching videos and reading. The Italian parent company is Ma-Fra which is old company like Koch Chemie from 1965.

I also watched XaronFR on You Tube he does some videos in English and showed how using the alkaline and acid wash on a ceramic coated truck that hadn`t been washed in 6 months how the beading properties on the sides had greatly diminished. He first washed the coated car Ph neutral soap then did again with Acid wash and all the beading properties came back on the coated Pickup.

BudegetPlan1 you and Mike are the ones that test the most coatings.
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Labocosmetica are very progressive and their products are top class, though I haven`t used any of their coatings. I`ve said it before on here (I think), that the 3pH washing system is brilliant and it inspired me to figure out a version I could do with products I have to do the same thing. Since doing that and working out potential issues and concerns regarding butoxyethylene and high pH snow foams, I am much wiser and feel that the way many people promote the use and in particular the constant topping of coatings to maintain hydrophobicity is not the way to do it. If the coating (and potentially dedicated topcoat) is good, leave that do the hard work and keep it clean and contamination free. It is the hard water/fallout/tree sap etc that is on the surface or within the layers of the toppers that is probably killing the hydrophobics. Purifica is Labocosmetica`s `acid` based soap which removes hard water and rejuvenates the coating surface and it seems that Gyeon is bringing out a similar product soon I think.

Andreas who does the English language content on Xaron FR is very active on UK based Facebook forums. He writes massive essays to help people on there, and is a good egg, which is impressive given he is Swiss. The Youtube content is very detailed and well researched and very well worth watching.
 
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NV Nova EVO Flexing: [url]https://youtu.be/b-sztH9s2Xc[/url]

EDIT: Some info from a Feynlab rep on why some dry as a powder:
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This has been a great thread! I like keeping tabs on it. John from forensic detailing has a video where he spoke with owners of wax is dead think they are UK based.

The stuff from fenylab is always an interesting read.
 
What the heck, lets give Ethos Graphene a try...

Have had some leftover Ethos Graphene sitting around, watching the graphene settle out. Shook it up, put in another cup.
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Thanks for the pic, wish I had saved my box to check. I remember when ordering there was a note about packaging being changed:

"AS OF 11/6/2020 NV NOVA EVO PACKAGING HAS CHANGED. THE 7X7 PACKAGING HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED "

Well, fool me once, shame on me...but fool me twice? From the Waxit website regarding NV Nova Evo:

“If you are looking for a professional grade coating that can be purchased at any level, this is a fantastic choice. Crazy durability, chemical resistance, water behaviour, gloss… Nova EVO does it all."


Nova EVO is a silica and diamond powder infused coating. This professional grade hybrid coating was created in the quest for a paint protective solution that incurred no compromise. The revolutionary coating boasts extreme levels of elemental protection & chemical resistance. Nova EVO can help mitigate light swirling & scratching through its unique friction eliminating surface structure. While Nova EVO creates a hardened sacrificial layer, this is not the underlying factor that helps mitigate swirls which a lot of companies misconstrue. With the addition of diamond powder the coating has a much stronger bond to the surface, also allowing it to last up to 3 years!"

I`ve always rolled my eyes at a particular coating mfg who touted their coatings` "Diamond-Infused 10h hardness" because it contained carbon (which turns into diamond in literally about a Billion years).

So now it turns out that I`ve used a coating (and quite honestly, really enjoyed it) with possible graphene *and* diamond in it, 2 things of which I`m somewhat skeptical. Methinks perhaps Karma is telling me it`s time to stop engaging in this coating nonsense...it`s like I`m not even paying attention anymore :blink:


I will admit to my heart being a bit heavy when I first saw that...:lol:

Fortunately I believe they will still be producing the non-graphene V2 of Stance, still my favorite wheel coating. The appeal of it (in addition to performance) is how easy it is to use. Very forgiving so can cover a lot of area before removal; the V3 w/ graphene is apparently a bit more cantankerous to use.

Hopefully the World eases up a bit by Summer so I`ll be able to ask him about that if the Annual Open House takes place and he is able to fly in for it...unfortunately 2 big IF`s at this point I`d say.



STEK had/has a coating that is like this as well.
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Johns360??? How do you find this stuff :lol:
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This is very interesting, kind of making rethink graphene. My 2 year old Opt Gloss Coat is going to be replaced this spring and I have been trying to decide which coating to use. Everything I have read suggest this NV coating is highly regarded so if they are using graphene maybe it isn`t as gimmicky as we think. I`m no expert, just a weekend warrior who has done 1 coating. This thread is great BTW. BudgetPlan1, your experience is invaluable!
 
Sjbiss said:
This is very interesting, kind of making rethink graphene. My 2 year old Opt Gloss Coat is going to be replaced this spring and I have been trying to decide which coating to use. Everything I have read suggest this NV coating is highly regarded so if they are using graphene maybe it isn`t as gimmicky as we think. I`m no expert, just a weekend warrior who has done 1 coating. This thread is great BTW. BudgetPlan1, your experience is invaluable!
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Any other coating would be an upgrade over gloss coat. Choose one from a reputable brand and you will be just fine.
 
Sjbiss said:
This is very interesting, kind of making rethink graphene. My 2 year old Opt Gloss Coat is going to be replaced this spring and I have been trying to decide which coating to use. Everything I have read suggest this NV coating is highly regarded so if they are using graphene maybe it isn`t as gimmicky as we think. I`m no expert, just a weekend warrior who has done 1 coating. This thread is great BTW. BudgetPlan1, your experience is invaluable!
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I have no complaints about Gloss Coat. It was super easy to apply and performed well. I knew going in it wasn`t the glossiest or most hydrophobic but it is still performing after 2 years, including 2 NE winters.
 
Sjbiss, its seems these graphane infused high solid coatings or whatever is going on, are holding up from the tests i seen on youtube. Just not revolutionary.

I`m don`t know much about IGL Kenzo but they even have an installer in my neck of the woods. A low population island called Newfoundland. :)
 
Sjbiss said:
I have no complaints about Gloss Coat. It was super easy to apply and performed well. I knew going in it wasn`t the glossiest or most hydrophobic but it is still performing after 2 years, including 2 NE winters.
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Those sound like two fundamental complaints to me. Each to their own but to me I don`t get the point of durability if it`s not a super shiny, hydrophobic coating with great self cleaning?

Yeah there are other attributes to a coating but we`re interested enough in LSP performance to be on here discussing it !!

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