Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

Your car looks great!

Washed, applied Eraser and then applied the Kamikaze coating Zipang, followed by Miyabi then a final coat of Zipang. Well, almost done. Only got to apply the last coat to half the car. Weather permitting will finish up in am. Will hold off if rain is in the picture. Goofed up the hood though and I am thinking will/may redo later.
Todd was right about Zipang - I left that dropper in there for an hour - big mistake started to crystalize.
 
Can we get a reformulation of your list now that you have more experience under your belt? I am inbetween getting Feynlab CLite/TopCoat, CSL+EXO, and SYNCRO.
 
That color looks great. I’m holding back my order from europe as I am satisfied with (surface wash) but still interested in Bilt Hamber auto foam. Just need on or two more things to do it. Do you feel KkOCv3 is better than v1 in self cleaning?


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TwoStrikes said:
Can we get a reformulation of your list now that you have more experience under your belt? I am inbetween getting Feynlab CLite/TopCoat, CSL+EXO, and SYNCRO.
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For what I look for in a coating, list/favorites really hasnt changed much.

The CSL/EXO is nice but self-cleaning lags behind Kamikaze, the Feynlab was OK but nothing exceptional in that area either.

While others are enjoying Syncro, it really fell off for me after a few months.

I try to keep all my current thoughts at below blog...got too difficult to keep updated notes everywhere I left them so kinda now centralize all thoughts here:
https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/glass-quartz-ceramic-coatings/
Coatings=crack said:
That color looks great. I’m holding back my order from europe as I am satisfied with (surface wash) but still interested in Bilt Hamber auto foam. Just need on or two more things to do it. Do you feel KkOCv3 is better than v1 in self cleaning?


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Hard to say as the blue car really hasnt seen any real driving or rain since application of Overcoat V3. I *think* that in addition to outright performance, ease of use increases which each subsequent release of Overcoat.

On another note, finally rained where I`m at today so after about 800 miles (99% freeway) finally got a chance to see rental car with CanCoat on drivers side, TAC Moonlight on passenger side:
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On another note, finally rained where I`m at today so after about 800 miles (99% freeway) finally got a chance to see rental car with CanCoat on drivers side, TAC Moonlight on passenger side:
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FWIW, got to drive in moderate rain today for about 200 miles. At 70mph the Moonlight beads were moving off of hood and towards windshield at a much quicker rate than CanCoat. If it were a bead foot race from leading edge of hood to cowl, Moonlight wins handily.
 
TwoStrikes said:
Can we get a reformulation of your list now that you have more experience under your belt? I am inbetween getting Feynlab CLite/TopCoat, CSL+EXO, and SYNCRO.
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Kinda forgot because it`s not widely avaliable but the SPS Graphene I have 9n my black daily driver is very impressive, albeit only about 2 months in. Paint generally looks very bright and clean from 5ft away even when it`s not `nose to paint` clean.

Dunno exactly how it explain it but it is what it is.
 
Little more rain. Moonlight on left, CanCoat on right. Can also make out the bare, polished strip in middle of hood that was under tape.

Before I return this car Saturday, hope to find a tunnel wash with brushes to run it thru to see how badly it marks up the hood.
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BudgetPlan1 said:
Little more rain. Moonlight on left, CanCoat on right. Can also make out the bare, polished strip in middle of hood that was under tape.

Before I return this car Saturday, hope to find a tunnel wash with brushes to run it thru to see how badly it marks up the hood.
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Would be very interesting to see what the tunnel brush car wash would do on the finish. We have those brushes that`s made of some kind of foam material. The nylon brushes type I have not seen for many years here in Sweden.

I did use these car washes with foams bristles until I bought the Kia cee`d SW little more than 2 years ago. And I have not corrected the Kia yet as it`s actually quite good still. Got it corrected by the dealership when I bought it. Now it`s some hair line scratches from takeing of the snow off during the winter months. And some other defects from my lovely sisters kids as she has borrowed it for a long time now. It would benefit from a polishing to clean up the defects and will be interesting to see if there is some embedded grime and contaminants going on the polishing pads.

Seems like they are pretty compareble Moonlight and CanCoat. Have you seen any difference in the self cleaning ability from them?
 
Unfortunately, the local Swirl-O-Matic wash was closed when we pulled in right before returning the rental car so didn`t get a chance to see how bad it woulda gooned up the nicely corrected hood...bummer.

Overall it seems that Moonlight and CanCoat performed similarly over 1800 miles. During the brief stints of driving in rain, Moonlight hustled the beads off of the hood maybe 15-20% faster than CanCoat and the residual water spotting after a night of rain followed by a hot morning of hot sun (car sitting stationary) left both sides with a similar appearance. They still looked pretty clean and very few water spots after drying in rain.

I`ll have to find something else to put Moonlight & CanCoat on to let them go longer and see how they compare but considering my first, somewhat unpleasant experience with Moonlight back in 2017, this brief experience has given me hope that perhaps the water spotting with Moonlight back then was an aberration outside of the norm for it`s overall performance.

This short test was on bare, prepped paint...

SWETM said:
Would be very interesting to see what the tunnel brush car wash would do on the finish. We have those brushes that`s made of some kind of foam material. The nylon brushes type I have not seen for many years here in Sweden.

I did use these car washes with foams bristles until I bought the Kia cee`d SW little more than 2 years ago. And I have not corrected the Kia yet as it`s actually quite good still. Got it corrected by the dealership when I bought it. Now it`s some hair line scratches from takeing of the snow off during the winter months. And some other defects from my lovely sisters kids as she has borrowed it for a long time now. It would benefit from a polishing to clean up the defects and will be interesting to see if there is some embedded grime and contaminants going on the polishing pads.

Seems like they are pretty compareble Moonlight and CanCoat. Have you seen any difference in the self cleaning ability from them?
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BudgetPlan1 said:
Unfortunately, the local Swirl-O-Matic wash was closed when we pulled in right before returning the rental car so didn`t get a chance to see how bad it woulda gooned up the nicely corrected hood...bummer.

Overall it seems that Moonlight and CanCoat performed similarly over 1800 miles. During the brief stints of driving in rain, Moonlight hustled the beads off of the hood maybe 15-20% faster than CanCoat and the residual water spotting after a night of rain followed by a hot morning of hot sun (car sitting stationary) left both sides with a similar appearance. They still looked pretty clean and very few water spots after drying in rain.

I`ll have to find something else to put Moonlight & CanCoat on to let them go longer and see how they compare but considering my first, somewhat unpleasant experience with Moonlight back in 2017, this brief experience has given me hope that perhaps the water spotting with Moonlight back then was an aberration outside of the norm for it`s overall performance.

This short test was on bare, prepped paint...
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Read the entire thread and thank you for your wisdom, your fleet of test cars and honest detailed opinions on each. I have a beautiful black Hyundai Genesis with metallic flaked black pearl paint. I plan on using car pro essence on my next polish to prep for a coating and I will be using polish angel high gloss as my topper. What coating would you recommend for purely looks enhancement as far as glass/gloss go? Protection is a bonus for me but the look of my vehicle is priority with whichever coating I choose. Miyabi and HPC look amazing but I was wondering if you have a specific recommendation for my situation.
 
Euphorios said:
Read the entire thread and thank you for your wisdom, your fleet of test cars and honest detailed opinions on each. I have a beautiful black Hyundai Genesis with metallic flaked black pearl paint. I plan on using car pro essence on my next polish to prep for a coating and I will be using polish angel high gloss as my topper. What coating would you recommend for purely looks enhancement as far as glass/gloss go? Protection is a bonus for me but the look of my vehicle is priority with whichever coating I choose. Miyabi and HPC look amazing but I was wondering if you have a specific recommendation for my situation.
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If`n you`re set on using Essence, I`d stick with CarPro Cquartz UK 3 (2 coats) + CarPro Gliss V2 (1 coat).

You could get some great looks from some of the Kamikaze stuff, ISM 1.0 really accentuates dark metallics (had it on a 2016 WRX, Crystal Black Silica Metallic) but not sure how it would play with Essence.

If you`re primary concern is looks with longevity/durability being a secondary concern, perhaps Polish Angel Cosmic would fit the bill. Polish Angel stuff always has a very luscious look to it. They just kinda revamped their Cosmic lineup so not sure of specifics. They also have a primer polish (like Essence) as well *I think*.

The Kami Miyabi x 2, ISM 1.0 x 1, topped by their Infinity Wax and maintained with either Overcoat or PA Cosmic Spritz is way, way overkill but it sure does look good on metallics. Had it on an Aegean Blue Metallic Honda Civic for 2.5 years and to my eyes, it was stunning. Car now has the Zipang-Miyabi-Zipang combo on it and it`s even better.

I bleed Kamikaze stuff through and through though so hopefully The Guz will chime in with a somewhat more objective view...he`s quite well versed on coatings and perhaps a bit less myopic than I.

Here`s a shot of the Cquartz UK 3 + Gliss V2...its very, very nice.
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BudgetPlan1 said:
If`n you`re set on using Essence, I`d stick with CarPro Cquartz UK 3 (2 coats) + CarPro Gliss V2 (1 coat).

You could get some great looks from some of the Kamikaze stuff, ISM 1.0 really accentuates dark metallics (had it on a 2016 WRX, Crystal Black Silica Metallic) but not sure how it would play with Essence.

If you`re primary concern is looks with longevity/durability being a secondary concern, perhaps Polish Angel Cosmic would fit the bill. Polish Angel stuff always has a very luscious look to it. They just kinda revamped their Cosmic lineup so not sure of specifics. They also have a primer polish (like Essence) as well *I think*.

The Kami Miyabi x 2, ISM 1.0 x 1, topped by their Infinity Wax and maintained with either Overcoat or PA Cosmic Spritz is way, way overkill but it sure does look good on metallics. Had it on an Aegean Blue Metallic Honda Civic for 2.5 years and to my eyes, it was stunning. Car now has the Zipang-Miyabi-Zipang combo on it and it`s even better.

I bleed Kamikaze stuff through and through though so hopefully The Guz will chime in with a somewhat more objective view...he`s quite well versed on coatings and perhaps a bit less myopic than I.

Here`s a shot of the Cquartz UK 3 + Gliss V2...its very, very nice.
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I am a kamikaze and polish angel fanboy but when I saw the red lambo video from esoteric of the miyabi coat I instantly fell in love or maybe lust. Right now I use 3D one as my polish and was using power lock plus and collinite 845. The beading is pretty from carpro but I feel it lacks compared to miyabi. You think essence won’t work well with miyabi? I am open to any polish recommendations that would be ideal with my metallic black pearl paint. I love PA high gloss on my vehicle it looks stunning but I know with the proper polish and coating there is so much potential for improvement. I use my vehicle and others that I detail as marketing for my mobile detail business so I wanted to find an ideal combination for my black genesis.
 
Euphorios said:
I am a kamikaze and polish angel fanboy but when I saw the red lambo video from esoteric of the miyabi coat I instantly fell in love or maybe lust. Right now I use 3D one as my polish and was using power lock plus and collinite 845. The beading is pretty from carpro but I feel it lacks compared to miyabi. You think essence won’t work well with miyabi? I am open to any polish recommendations that would be ideal with my metallic black pearl paint. I love PA high gloss on my vehicle it looks stunning but I know with the proper polish and coating there is so much potential for improvement. I use my vehicle and others that I detail as marketing for my mobile detail business so I wanted to find an ideal combination for my black genesis.
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Miyabi is the sharper, more reflective gloss while ISM is the part of the combo that really `floats` the metallic in the finish.

If you really wanna do Miyabi, go for it! Any polish will get ya there, have found Scholl S40 on their honey spider pad is great for finishing to the `n-th` degree on soft, dark paint. LC Crimson Hydrotech is a nice pad to use with S40 too.

I used Essence under the Cquartz UK and I see why people like it...its great stuff just unsure how it plays under other stuff as I`ve never tried it with anything other than Cquartz UK.

Why not give Esoteric a call and see what they think about essence + miyabi? I`d guess at some point they have likely tried it. Great folks, very helpful.
 
Well, a final bit of wax today and I think I`m good on wifes winter/rainy day driver...the 2016 Aegean Blue Metallic Honda Civic. Hey, gotta use what you can get to work with...and despite being a somewhat nondescript vehicle, the color and metallic content is really pleasing to my eye.

At this point, I really can`t think of anything else to throw at it.

Paint: Kamikaze
Zipang-Miyabi-Zipang
Infinity Wax
Overcoat

Wheels: Kamikaze Stance x 2, Polish Angel SuperSport

Tires: Tuff Shine Tire Coating

Glass: Gtechniq G1

Exterior Trim: Kamikaze Zipang

Interior: Polish Angel Intimate & Snowcake

Will maintain going forward with Gyeon Foam or Gtechnic W4 Citrus Foam, Kamikaze Anti-Aging Shampoo and Overcoat.

Jury still out on the PA Intimate & Snowcake, first time I used today. Fun, nice...time will tell.

That takes care of our 3 cars for the foreseeable future, dunno what`s next. Guess just washing every now and again.

"Find something you like and use it often."
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