The Unofficial *Official* Politics Thread

LashingStanley said:
Dan,

First of all, I`d genuinely like to compliment you on sticking to your guns. You`re a man of conviction and I think that`s pretty neat.

Secondly, I know that "going down this road with you" won`t be easy, but if you`ll give me a sec to slip on my favorite pair of crazy-pants I`ll give
it the old college try.

I`m pretty sure you`re referring to the aid package sent to Egypt which was NOT the same as giving it to the Muslim Brotherhood. It was an ongoing aid package that we had been giving to Egypt since 1979.

President Obama was accused of many things, but despite what you read on Snopes late at night, or what you remember seeing in the weekly email chain your church sent out, allegations that Obama secretly practiced Islam or that he`s the antichrist were nothing more than radical conspiracy theories that were dispelled nearly as fast as they were generated.

-Matt
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Matt --

Thank you for your post.. I really appreciate your kind words..

What started all of this was what Charles Sykes wrote way, way, back there, and my expressed feelings for that..
I had an issue with him and thought no more of it.. I apologize that this post struck a chord in you..

Yes, I am a man of very strong convictions, having spent the majority of my life working hard, and serving others..
And along the way as time wore my rough spots down, I even became a lot wiser.. :)

It would be great for you to not assume what I read at night, and I will not assume what you read either, ok ?
By the way, I never read snopes.. :)

Rather than get into another contest on what is the truth and what is not, can we please be free to express our thoughts, opinions, feelings, etc., about this topic - all topics, and be ok about it ??

That is all I ever wanted to do here.. :)

For sure, even as diverse we all are in our thoughts, opinions, beliefs that came with our upbringing, individual, wonderful, and not-so-wonderful experiences, can we please agree to be at least united as the greatest group of men and women that have ever been on one Forum in the history of Detailing Forums ??

What I think about most when I think about everyone on here, is how wonderful it would be to have any of you as neighbors and friends.
Wouldn`t it lovely to invite you guys over and cook up some great steaks from Omaha !
And later when the women are all talking away in the kitchen, we go out to the garage and do a little Team Detail on your car... :) :) :)

More than anything, would love to get together with any of you and just sit at the table and reason together as men and women..

What do you think, Matt ?
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
Matt --

Thank you for your post.. I really appreciate your kind words..

What started all of this was what Charles Sykes wrote way, way, back there, and my expressed feelings for that..
I had an issue with him and thought no more of it.. I apologize that this post struck a chord in you..

Yes, I am a man of very strong convictions, having spent the majority of my life working hard, and serving others..
And along the way as time wore my rough spots down, I even became a lot wiser.. :)

It would be great for you to not assume what I read at night, and I will not assume what you read either, ok ?
By the way, I never read snopes.. :)

Rather than get into another contest on what is the truth and what is not, can we please be free to express our thoughts, opinions, feelings, etc., about this topic - all topics, and be ok about it ??

That is all I ever wanted to do here.. :)

For sure, even as diverse we all are in our thoughts, opinions, beliefs that came with our upbringing, individual, wonderful, and not-so-wonderful experiences, can we please agree to be at least united as the greatest group of men and women that have ever been on one Forum in the history of Detailing Forums ??

What I think about most when I think about everyone on here, is how wonderful it would be to have any of you as neighbors and friends.
Wouldn`t it lovely to invite you guys over and cook up some great steaks from Omaha !
And later when the women are all talking away in the kitchen, we go out to the garage and do a little Team Detail on your car... :) :) :)

More than anything, would love to get together with any of you and just sit at the table and reason together as men and women..

What do you think, Matt ?
Dan F
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I had a professor in college that I had the utmost respect for. We were having a pretty heated debate on a polarizing political issue and one of my classmates got really upset and said "they shouldn`t be allowed to say that, it`s offensive!"

I`ll never forget my professors response. He said, "If you don`t read, hear, or see something that offends you on a daily basis, chances are, you`re not living in a free society."

No matter how much I may disagree with your comments or how much they offend me, I`m just thankfully we both have the freedom to exercise our first amendment rights and that even people who have completely different beliefs, values, and opinions are able to find common ground when it comes to detailing.

So yes, we`re good boss.

-Matt
 
LashingStanley said:
I had a professor in college that I had the utmost respect for. We were having a pretty heated debate on a polarizing political issue and one of my classmates got really upset and said "they shouldn`t be allowed to say that, it`s offensive!"

I`ll never forget my professors response. He said, "If you don`t read, hear, or see something that offends you on a daily basis, chances are, you`re not living in a free society."

No matter how much I may disagree with your comments or how much they offend me, I`m just thankfully we both have the freedom to exercise our first amendment rights and that even people who have completely different beliefs, values, and opinions are able to find common ground when it comes to detailing.

So yes, we`re good boss.

-Matt
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Having people in positions of power actively trying to weaken the US while empowering people who kill Christians, kill ```s, treat women like dogs, if that is what you mean by “ that offends me” then your part of the problem.
 
JBM said:
Having people in positions of power actively trying to weaken the US while empowering people who kill Christians, kill ```s, treat women like dogs, if that is what you mean by “ that offends me” then your part of the problem.
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That`s quite a stretch to get to your post from what Matt posted. Did you ever consider that `the problem` might be people posting with closed minds and a lot of bias? Or maybe the problem is too many of you guys thinking your `side` is right just because you`re the good guys. You might want to consider that there are a lot of good people outside of your group too.

Just one more example of how anyone who follows either `side` without paying attention to what others are saying is ultimately being a pawn for their `side`. And, it`s that type of thinking that has always hurt this country the most.

Oh, before anyone one roasts me, be advised that me and JBM probably share some concerns about certain people. We just disagree about the best method to make this a better world.
 
notime said:
That`s quite a stretch to get to your post from what Matt posted. Did you ever consider that `the problem` might be people posting with closed minds and a lot of bias? Or maybe the problem is too many of you guys thinking your `side` is right just because you`re the good guys. You might want to consider that there are a lot of good people outside of your group too.

Just one more example of how anyone who follows either `side` without paying attention to what others are saying is ultimately being a pawn for their `side`. And, it`s that type of thinking that has always hurt this country the most.

Oh, before anyone one roasts me, be advised that me and JBM probably share some concerns about certain people. We just disagree about the best method to make this a better world.
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Well, my side is anyone who protects and enforces the Constitution. Everyone else is not in harmony with American values and shouldn’t get the support of Americans who believe the constitution is the law of the land. It’s really that simple.
 
JBM said:
Well, my side is anyone who protects and enforces the Constitution. Everyone else is not in harmony with American values and shouldn’t get the support of Americans who believe the constitution is the law of the land. It’s really that simple.
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Haven’t heard it said any better anywhere.
 
JBM said:
Having people in positions of power actively trying to weaken the US while empowering people who kill Christians, kill ```s, treat women like dogs, if that is what you mean by “ that offends me” then your part of the problem.
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Yikes,

I spoke up because l took offense to what I believe was a misinformed accusation of Obama`s spiritual beliefs. Like I said, I`ve always completely understood and empathized with those who disagreed with President Obama`s policy and actions while in office. But I also believe, like me, Obama was a patriot who did what he *thought*was best and he tried to hold himself to a moral standard.
 
JBM said:
Well, my side is anyone who protects and enforces the Constitution. Everyone else is not in harmony with American values and shouldn’t get the support of Americans who believe the constitution is the law of the land. It’s really that simple.
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"The difference between Patriotism and Nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war." -Syndey J. Harris
 
LashingStanley said:
Yikes,

I spoke up because l took offense to what I believe was a misinformed accusation of Obama`s spiritual beliefs. Like I said, I`ve always completely understood and empathized with those who disagreed with President Obama`s policy and actions while in office. But I also believe, like me, Obama was a patriot who did what he *thought*was best and he tried to hold himself to a moral standard.
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Obama tried to destroy this country as we know it.
 
Ronkh said:
Obama tried to destroy this country as we know it.
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People may not like the comment, but it`s 100% true. Even O said he wanted "Hope & Change" He tried to "change" the US to his "vision" and what he thought.

Example........ Those jobs are never going to come back. (etc garbage)
 
JBM said:
Well, my side is anyone who protects and enforces the Constitution. Everyone else is not in harmony with American values and shouldn’t get the support of Americans who believe the constitution is the law of the land. It’s really that simple.
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It`s hard for me to comment not having read enough of your posts to know what you consider your `side` to be. But, no it`s not that simple. And just for a bit of clarity, why do you feel the need to be part of a side. Isn`t just standing up for what `you` believe in enough?
 
Ronkh said:
Obama tried to destroy this country as we know it.
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By `we` you`re referring to some small sect of the population you associate with?

I think I`m familiar with every president for the last century enough to say that the only two who can seriously be argued as `trying` to destroy (YOUR derogatory term for change) the country as most Americans know it is the present one or Roosevelt.

Using your term - destroy. I wouldn`t say that was Roosevelt`s intent. Trump... the way he`s attacked various departments, the FBI, and the free press. It might fit.
 
notime said:
By `we` you`re referring to some small sect of the population you associate with?

I think I`m familiar with every president for the last century enough to say that the only two who can seriously be argued as `trying` to destroy (YOUR derogatory term for change) the country as most Americans know it is the present one or Roosevelt.

Using your term - destroy. I wouldn`t say that was Roosevelt`s intent. Trump... the way he`s attacked various departments, the FBI, and the free press. It might fit.
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Obviously, you weren`t paying attention for the last 8 years. Our Government is supposed to be
By the people
For the People
Of the People.

Not dictate. Not hijack 1/6 of the economy and them mandate you buy from whom the dictate. Not destroy businesses because they don`t like them, or blame the US for everything that`s wrong in the world. Don`t give up everything that our citizens have worked for, and don`t give authority to an outside body.

I`m too old and weak to give lessons in this stuff, since it is so recent. PAY ATTENTION you should have been appalled.
 
But don`t understand why I gotta pay for other guys wives/girlfriends birth control.....

Can someone explain that for me ?!?!?!?
 
Ronkh said:
Obviously, you weren`t paying attention for the last 8 years. Our Government is supposed to be
By the people
For the People
Of the People.

Not dictate. Not hijack 1/6 of the economy and them mandate you buy from whom the dictate. Not destroy businesses because they don`t like them, or blame the US for everything that`s wrong in the world. Don`t give up everything that our citizens have worked for, and don`t give authority to an outside body.

I`m too old and weak to give lessons in this stuff, since it is so recent. PAY ATTENTION you should have been appalled.
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I paid enough attention to know that what you just posted is little more than the rant of someone that didn`t pay attention to anyone other than a select group of media who told him what they wanted him to hear. And you bought it. You`ve been played. I know you can`t see it. You won`t allow yourself to see the truth, so you can`t.

Someone close to me is the same way - just the other side of the spectrum.

Follow the double deviants (That`s a Bell Curve reference) of the world without questioning enough and and you lose touch with the truth.
 
Ronkh said:
But don`t understand why I gotta pay for other guys wives/girlfriends birth control.....

Can someone explain that for me ?!?!?!?
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Sure I can. It`s called living in a society under a democracy. Most everybody ends up paying for some things they don`t want or would prefer weren`t funded.

The truth is pretty easy when you leave yourself open to it.
 
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