The Truth..

salty said:
Sorry to hear about your wife.



Around here you hear about a few cases of Lyme every year. Never follow up stories to see if they are ok.



The last couple years i have been bite twice, but did notice them within hours. Actually tick time is coming, as they are bad in the spring around here.



A couple years ago i was ATVing with my buddy in some bush, he was the lead which is why he got most of them, when we were finished he had 13 tick's on him and his cloths, never seen a grown man strip down to his gotch in 2 seconds and do the panic dance before.



Thanks man.. She is hanging in there, but you never know with this disease.. One day she is a 4 (out of 1-5), then the next she is a 1 and cant even get out of ben. Hasn't seen a 5 in Four Years.. I would trade spots with her in a heartbeat so that she could see a healthy day again..
 
Well i hope she finds something that works or she just gets better.



I think you might be saying a lot of things that people are thinking or are too naive to think about.



Without talking and discussing these issues, whether right or wrong, it is still our right to try and resolve these issues.



Until that is taken away.
 
So much for credibility. It's pretty clear that someone has an axe to grind... oh well. I sleep fine at night :)



PS- Lyme disease can be tracked back to the 1800s, and it's first known origin was in POLAND (Germany now). That sort of puts a stick in the spokes of that conspiracy theory, eh?



I think these guys might know a thing or two about it...



http://www.lyme.org/otherdis/ld_history.html
 
Lumadar said:
So much for credibility. It's pretty clear that someone has an axe to grind... oh well. I sleep fine at night :)



PS- Lyme disease can be tracked back to the 1800s, and it's first known origin was in POLAND (Germany now). That sort of puts a stick in the spokes of that conspiracy theory, eh?



I think these guys might know a thing or two about it...



Lyme Disease -- Where did it come from?



ok, smart ***.. lyme was 'modified' by our government for 'testing', as other diseases and viruses as well.. We can do this all day.. Do I need to single you out and continue to make you look stupid? All the 9/11 stuff, and the least you can throw back at me is that Lyme has been around since the 1800's? So you are agreeing on the 9/11 thing I presume..
 
Lumadar said:
So much for credibility. It's pretty clear that someone has an axe to grind... oh well. I sleep fine at night :)



PS- Lyme disease can be tracked back to the 1800s, and it's first known origin was in POLAND (Germany now). That sort of puts a stick in the spokes of that conspiracy theory, eh?



I think these guys might know a thing or two about it...



http://www.lyme.org/otherdis/ld_history.html



"Plum Island is the center of various rumours, and often takes conspiratorial blame for now-common diseases that thrive within America over the last several decades. The highest-profile example is undoubtedly Lyme Disease, which at the time of its study was carried by the Lone Star Tick, an insect that was found only in certain areas of Texas.



During the 1970s, reports of Lyme Disease began surfacing in New York, Connecticut, and New Jersey. A southern virus springing up so far north (and suspiciously close to a well-known germ facility) prompted complaints from citizens and ex-employees about Plum Island's secretive and controversial nature."




Being that the Lone Star Tick is from Texas, and people in the IMMEDIATE area of Plum Island seemed to be the ONLY ones sick in the first year, seems like the square block is fitting in the square hole.. Seems to me that the Lone Star Ticks infected with Lyme were somehow able to escape and infect a couple folks.. Am i wrong in my 'assumption' here?



"The history of Lyme disease in Connecticut began in 1975 when a cluster of children and adults residing in the Lyme, Connecticut area experienced uncommon arthritic symptoms. By 1977, the first 51 cases of Lyme arthritis were described, and the Ixodes scapularis (black-legged) tick was linked to the transmission of the disease. During 1982, Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacterium that causes Lyme disease, was discovered and the first brochure addressing Lyme disease was developed by the Arthritis Foundation." DPH: A Brief History of Lyme Disease in Connecticut



"Lyme disease, first identified in Connecticut in 1975, continues to be an important public health concern. Surveillance maintained by the Department of Public Health has shown that we have the highest number of cases relative to the population of any state. The Department of Public Health (DPH) has had an active role in contributing to the understanding of Lyme disease and other diseases spread to people by ticks including ehrlichiosis and babesiosis.



Initially, with little known about Lyme disease, studies and surveys were conducted to determine the occurrence of the disease in Connecticut and factors that favor acquiring the disease. This work was done in collaboration with the Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station, the University of Connecticut, Yale University, local health departments, and the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The current focus of the Program is on prevention."
DPH: Lyme Disease



Both of these quotes above are from the Connecticut Department of Public Healths website.. add 2 and 2 together (use your calculator in your toolbar if necessary)





If for some reason, you dont think that our government can 'modify' bacteria and viruses, i figured i would throw a few 'credible facts' out there for ya, eh?



"Scientists have genetically modified bacteria living in the human body to produce chemicals that block HIV infection."

source: BBC NEWS | Health | Bacteria modified to combat HIV



"Modified viruses bring malaria vaccine hope- Oxford scientists have harnessed the power of pox and common cold viruses to create a new kind of malaria vaccine, which has shown huge promise in animal studies." source: Modified viruses bring malaria vaccine hope | Wellcome Trust



"Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol-



Silicon Valley is experimenting with bacteria that have been genetically altered to provide 'renewable petroleum'



He means bugs. To be more precise: the genetic alteration of bugs – very, very small ones – so that when they feed on agricultural waste such as woodchips or wheat straw, they do something extraordinary. They excrete crude oil.



Unbelievably, this is not science fiction. Mr Pal holds up a small beaker of bug excretion that could, theoretically, be poured into the tank of the giant Lexus SUV next to us. Not that Mr Pal is willing to risk it just yet. He gives it a month before the first vehicle is filled up on what he calls “renewable petroleum�. After that, he grins, “it’s a brave new world�." Source: Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol - Times Online



Anymore of you vast wisdom on Lyme Disease? Or will this shut your mouth? I have been paying 50,000 a year for 3 years and have to watch my wife TRY to stay healthy on a daily basis, and your smart *** decides to throw something at me that you think will 'throw a stick in my spokes'? I try to be a civil guy, but I am glad to you were not face to face with me when you made that comment...
 
jdoria said:
Wow, people are really learning how to use "The Google" on the Internet machine these days.





I cant take the credit for that one though, it was Chazz Michael Michaels in Blades fo Glory.



haha. google is the shiznit!
 
Sorry about the wife man but you're the one that decided it was a smart idea to bring it up on a public forum in which you obviously are taking a LOT of flack for such "colorful" topics. You had to see it coming. Hopefully they find a cure for all the aliments out there and she gets better though.
 
Flawless, you indicate the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office. Further, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.



I wish my cousin were alive since he chaired the Board in Boston. I think he would be amused and offer expert information.



I think because you pre-dispose yourself to conspiracy theories, you wind up taking kernels and nuggets of possible nefarious intent and exacerbate it to unnecessary proportions. You then find like-minded people on the Internet and believe everything you read hook, line and sinker.



I can show you crazy stuff about the moon landing being faked, the FBI assassinating John Lennon, the fabrication of the Holocaust, etc...
 
Elvis was talking about all of this stuff just the other day while we were eating fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches and making tinfoil hats.
 
Spilchy said:
Flawless, you indicate the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office. Further, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.



I wish my cousin were alive since he chaired the Board in Boston. I think he would be amused and offer expert information.



I think because you pre-dispose yourself to conspiracy theories, you wind up taking kernels and nuggets of possible nefarious intent and exacerbate it to unnecessary proportions. You then find like-minded people on the Internet and believe everything you read hook, line and sinker.



I can show you crazy stuff about the moon landing being faked, the FBI assassinating John Lennon, the fabrication of the Holocaust, etc...



well, again, i am sorry you feel this way. So as you defend our government on here, im assuming that you trust them with your 'life'? I guess thats where we differ.. I am not on here to 'convert you', just to inform you.. What you do with it is your choice.. thank you for the response though..
 
Jakerooni said:
Sorry about the wife man but you're the one that decided it was a smart idea to bring it up on a public forum in which you obviously are taking a LOT of flack for such "colorful" topics. You had to see it coming. Hopefully they find a cure for all the aliments out there and she gets better though.



thanks Jake. My wife read these posts this morning, and she told me to thank you for what you said.. I realized that i would have plenty of people that just dont want to hear it, and IF it was true, then they didnt want to KNOW about it.. If people think im nuts, then I HOPE they are right! ha. But i feel it is my responsibility to tell people about it.. I am in the same 'heated' discussion on 9 other forums right now.



But one thing I have not seen.. Any 'correction' on my 9/11 'facts' yet.. hmm..

The post has had 300 more views since I posted last nights info, and not ONE has challenged it..
 
I think no one is challenging it because this is a car detailing forum and non-related threads tend to die out rather quickly. Most people aren't here to debate you on your beliefs. I personally think you are wrong and don't have the time nor energy to try and prove it.



I wish your wife all the best with her health.
 
dave40co said:
I think no one is challenging it because this is a car detailing forum and non-related threads tend to die out rather quickly. Most people aren't here to debate you on your beliefs. I personally think you are wrong and don't have the time nor energy to try and prove it.



I wish your wife all the best with her health.



thanks dave. i also have a detailing business, so its not as if im on here just posting off topic threads everyday.. There seemed to be alot of challenges in the past 2 days, but after i spent 3 hours last night posting what i do know about 9/11, none of those 'challengers' have responded. I was just answering questions..
 
Flawless Image said:
thanks Jake. My wife read these posts this morning, and she told me to thank you for what you said.. I realized that i would have plenty of people that just dont want to hear it, and IF it was true, then they didnt want to KNOW about it.. If people think im nuts, then I HOPE they are right! ha. But i feel it is my responsibility to tell people about it.. I am in the same 'heated' discussion on 9 other forums right now.



But one thing I have not seen.. Any 'correction' on my 9/11 'facts' yet.. hmm..

The post has had 300 more views since I posted last nights info, and not ONE has challenged it..



Flawless,



I'm still at my shop at the moment so no time to really reply to your reply back to me but I will quickly respond here to this.



The reason no one has "corrected" you is because no one can. In other words your presuppositions make the case that when evidence is presented to you that indicates you are in error or wrong you will simply state, "but that's what they want us to believe, it's all part of the cover up".



You make the claim about no plane hit the Pentagon yet others, who are experts in their fields, have shown that a plane did hit the Pentagon but no matter what they show you will come to some type of reasoning that they must be wrong or they are part of the cover up. As I re-read these posts late last night it struck me that you now have an axe to grind with the government so again no matter the evidence presented to you on the contrary you will not believe it.



Be honest with yourself here, if George W. Bush meet with you and told you face to face that there is no cover up would you believe him? Of course not, why? Because to you he is a key player in all this so now ask yourself what then can anyone outside of the "key players" (meaning us on this and other forums) do or say to "correct" your "facts" in all this??



If you are being honest the answer is, nothing! In a debate one time with an atheist he told me that if God Himself appeared before him he would not believe it to be him. Do you know why? Because the atheist does not hold to the spiritual, there are no miracles to him so he would attribute it to a hallucination or try to find some rational means for the experience. So it is with you.



Anthony
 
Anthony, this kind of reminds of when Clinton was running for president, and he promised some supporters that he would look into the real story of what happened with the "UFO crash" at Roswell, NM. After he was elected, he did get the story declassified. It turns out that our nuclear scientists at nearby Los Alamos, NM, were floating some special balloons made of aluminized mylar in an attempt to monitor Soviet nuclear tests. I'm not sure if the ones they were launching there were the actual monitoring ones or just testing. So one malfunctions and crashes in Roswell. No one had ever seen a mylar balloon (unlike today), hence the reports of the strange metal that could be crumpled yet recover its shape. The government didn't want the Soviets to know we were trying to monitor their tests, so they came and took away all the stuff, swore everybody to secrecy, and announced that it was just a weather balloon (which was actually pretty close to the truth). So I read this and think to myself "well, at least that is finally cleared up", but no, all the "believers" simply denounced this as further government misinformation and coverup. Sheesh.
 
Setec.........



Exactly, just like that!



I wish the best for Flawless and his wife and her condition, I will keep them in prayer, but given this info I now believe that this incident may have set in motion what we now see displayed.....no one can place any blame on Flawless for feeling this way because it may be his way of dealing and coping with it.



Anthony
 
Spilchy said:
Flawless, you indicate the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the publicly-appointed Board of Governors. Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office. Further, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.



I wish my cousin were alive since he chaired the Board in Boston. I think he would be amused and offer expert information.



I think because you pre-dispose yourself to conspiracy theories, you wind up taking kernels and nuggets of possible nefarious intent and exacerbate it to unnecessary proportions. You then find like-minded people on the Internet and believe everything you read hook, line and sinker.



I can show you crazy stuff about the moon landing being faked, the FBI assassinating John Lennon, the fabrication of the Holocaust, etc...



Spilchy, if your cousin were still with us, he would probably revise your characterization of the external oversight of the Fed. You could have asked him specifically how the Fed is funded, who oversees and approves their annual budgets, etc.



The Governors are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The individual Reserve Banks have Directors which are also appointees.
 
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