The Story Behind Meg's G110 Dual Action Machine

The spec table on the UDM website does not show the gearing info that Meguiar's posted, that's the difference. Seems to me that if they went through the trouble of studying their competitors' designs, why not compare their machine to the rest of the competition? They could have posted specs on the PC or the Griots too, but they're only trying to set their product apart from the UDM so why is that? It makes me believe there's more to the story that the public doesn't know about when it comes to the UDM and the G110.
 
BlackElantraGT said:
The spec table on the UDM website does not show the gearing info that Meguiar's posted, that's the difference. Seems to me that if they went through the trouble of studying their competitors' designs, why not compare their machine to the rest of the competition? They could have posted specs on the PC or the Griots too, but they're only trying to set their product apart from the UDM so why is that? It makes me believe there's more to the story that the public doesn't know about when it comes to the UDM and the G110.
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Were you bored when you came up with this?
 
"They could have posted specs on the PC or the Griots too, but they're only trying to set their product apart from the UDM so why is that?"



Because the Griot's machine isn't a threat to them. I would venture to say that the number of Griot's machines sold annually is a fraction of UDM sales, and a fraction of what the G110 sales are going to be. Doesn't the Griot's machine have a smaller motor than that of the PC, and a fixed backing plate also?



If you look at the G110, the closest competitor to it is the UDM, that's why they would specifically compare the specs of the G110 to the UDM. Meguiar's is a huge company, and probably has some very gifted scientists and engineers employed by them. I am sure disecting and analyzing any buffer on the market would be no big deal to them - especially one they are getting ready to go head to head against.
 
weekendwarrior said:
Meguiar's is a huge company, and probably has some very gifted scientists and engineers employed by them. I am sure disecting and analyzing any buffer on the market would be no big deal to them - especially one they are getting ready to go head to head against.
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You give big business far too much credit. The Other PC may have first hand knowledge, but I'd be willing to bet that Meg's employs zero mechanical engineers, why would they? Since the G110 is made in China, I'm sure any ME involvement would have been strictly on a consulting basis to evaluate/oversee the design and regulatory compliance.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
You give big business far too much credit. The Other PC may have first hand knowledge, but I'd be willing to bet that Meg's employs zero mechanical engineers, why would they? Since the G110 is made in China, I'm sure any ME involvement would have been strictly on a consulting basis to evaluate/oversee the design and regulatory compliance.
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Well, let me ammend my comment to say that it would be nothing for Meguiar's to hire an engineer to disect that machine. The point is that we are talking about a LARGE company like Meguiar's so I am sure they would have no problem paying for engineers (internal or external) to thoroughly analyze the machine of their biggest competitor.
 
the other pc said:
Word over on the Ridgid forum is that the 2611 is made in China.



I agree that it’s great that Ridgid is willing to stand behind its products and customers for the long haul.





PC.
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Yes the Ridgid 2611 is made in China. I've heard good things about it and they offer a lifetime warranty. Even the PC is now made in Mexico. BTW, I doubt that Terry is going to put in print a story without some factual basis. I'm not sure what machine he is referring to but I don't think it's a Flex or Makita.



I did some reading about the Megs 110 and it seems as if the rotation is free and not forced. That makes it basically the same as a PC and has less OPM than the Ridgid 2611 (which also has free rotation).





Here's a 2611 review.

(quote)I have the Chinese made R2611 sander and what can I say; it sands extremely well and it has lasted me three years of moderate to heavy home woodworking use. It was worth the cost and it does it's job nicely.



I had a choice between the German 2610 and the Chinese 2611. I chose the 2611 because I think it is more ergonomic. I did not like the dust collection bag on the 2610 either. The dust collection hook ups on the 2611 fit standard shop vac hoses.(end quote)
 
BlackElantraGT said:
Also, Meg's was very vague with how they answered customers questions whether it was just a rebadged UDM.
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Mike Pennington himself told me in no uncertain terms that the new G110 was NOT a rebadged UDM and I posted that here on Autopia.
 
DavidB and Meguiars saw the same market opportunity and developed products for it. I am sure there is more money in a custom product rather than relabeling the PC.
 
The problem with the Megs G110 is that I don't see it as an improvement over the PC unless I'm missing something. Megs doesn't even recomend using it at speed 6-maybe because the Megs pads won't take the constant abuse without separating.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I have to respectfully disagree. That "analysis" was made by a marketing guy reviewing specs provided by the mfr., IMO.
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I totally agree with this statement. It's not like TV shows within a corporation. There's not a secret lab where all sorts of phantom technology is employed to analyze a certain product.



Even in the IT world, 99% of the time, a company will send out 'technical reps' to show us their products. This happens with companies that earn more in 1 week, than any company referred to on this board does in a year, barring 3M. The reps don't know anything more than what is on the product brochure. Even then, they don't usually know as MUCH as the brochure...



If you think they just pull a 'scientist' off the street to compare products, I've got a bridge to sell you.



Companies like to put up a big facade. Once you've been on the other side, it's quite unimpressive. This is referring to most consumer products. We're not talking Jet propulsion or nuclear technologies.

If you think the technology you see on CSI or Las Vegas is real, well, maybe Santa can break the news to you.
 
I guess a lot of it depends on the industry. I worked for a large corporation, and our R&D department would bring in products from our major competitors, test them, and in some cases disect them (we manufactured polymers).
 
weekendwarrior said:
I guess a lot of it depends on the industry. I worked for a large corporation, and our R&D department would bring in products from our major competitors, test them, and in some cases disect them (we manufactured polymers).
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I work for a large company and we purchase competitive products, do tear downs, and look for "silver bullets" to enable to marketing team to compete. Some things we find we do not write down in external marketing collateral but may be used verbally.



I am sure Mike Phillips has used the UDM and that is about as good of an evaluation one could get for Meg's. The comparison chart is about WRITTEN specs that help educate/confuse as necessary. Unless Meg's has a change in policy, you are not going to get something claiming they are x% better than any product. They will tell you they are experts and offer a life time guarantee.



I think when someone starts talking about scientists you can tell they have not familiar with the industry.
 
Like tdekany said, man has to sell to survive. I learned the hard way NOT to believe all the hype from CMA and AG too. Tell you another thing - if you want to know what AG is overstocked in - read their forum and look for the "o wow - I just tried xxxxx and it blew away everything!" then the shills come out and finish the thread with "oh, I've used xxxx since it came out and its great" Nothing wrong with that, just always know to be "buyer beware" and do a little searching here.
 
Did we ever get a test here on Autopia of the G110? I can't find any thru search. I see on MOL they are having a lot of infant mortality problems.
 
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