The Story Behind Meg's G110 Dual Action Machine

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BlackElantraGT

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Anyone read this story over at CMA?

Meguiars G-110 Dual-Action Machine Polisher



In the article, Terry mentions:



"The problem was, this machine had some problems. We questioned the construction quality, the motor quality and the power switch/speed control. (One of our samples actually burned up during our testing!) Both Classic Motoring and Meguiars passed on this machine although it was picked-up by other web retailers and is still being touted in the marketplace."



I don't know about the rest of you, but to me it sounds like he's referring to the UDM without naming names. Who knows how much of it we can believe, but I would assume Terry's not dumb enough to look like an idiot in front of all his colleagues and competitors if there wasn't an ounce of truth behind it. Looks like competition is going to get intense and cutthroat.



Despite one machine being revised, I still feel uneasy that the 2 machines are still coming out of the same plant, I'm assuming somewhere out in China. Too bad the Lifetime Warranty no longer applies. For me, that was the main selling point over a regular PC. I guess I'll be sticking with my Meg's G100 until I can finally afford a Flex. Who knows, maybe by then they'll have a cheaper, Made in China Flex immitation LOL
 
Hard to say. Like most of the detailing products we buy, the "real truth" about this one seems shrouded in hyperbole and half-truths.
 
I heard this story about a year ago from a very high up person at Meguiar's. According to the person I spoke with, Meg's orginally was going to market the machine, but it did not pass their standards.
 
BlackElantraGT said:
Anyone read this story over at CMA?

Meguiars G-110 Dual-Action Machine Polisher



In the article, Terry mentions:



"The problem was, this machine had some problems. We questioned the construction quality, the motor quality and the power switch/speed control. (One of our samples actually burned up during our testing!) Both Classic Motoring and Meguiars passed on this machine although it was picked-up by other web retailers and is still being touted in the marketplace."



I don't know about the rest of you, but to me it sounds like he's referring to the UDM without naming names. Who knows how much of it we can believe, but I would assume Terry's not dumb enough to look like an idiot in front of all his colleagues and competitors if there wasn't an ounce of truth behind it. Looks like competition is going to get intense and cutthroat.



Despite one machine being revised, I still feel uneasy that the 2 machines are still coming out of the same plant, I'm assuming somewhere out in China. Too bad the Lifetime Warranty no longer applies. For me, that was the main selling point over a regular PC. I guess I'll be sticking with my Meg's G100 until I can finally afford a Flex. Who knows, maybe by then they'll have a cheaper, Made in China Flex immitation LOL
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If you read the article closely he is describing a dual action machine (random orbital with some forced rotation) like the Flex. So I don't think he refers to the UDM at all.
 
Sludge said:
If you read the article closely he is describing a dual action machine (random orbital with some forced rotation) like the Flex. So I don't think he refers to the UDM at all.
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Spot on. Good obs!
 
Well, it seems as if it's a roll of the dice with Chinese merchandise. That is why I like the Ridgid 2611, it has a higher OPM and Ridgid offers a lifetime warranty when you register it. larger companies probably have more resources and means to assure quality control.
 
Meg’s was obviously playing with their new machine well before the UDM was announced, let alone released. Developing a new tool takes a long time and a lot of effort. I don’t see how the UDM could have had anything to do with the G110’s development process.



Since the UDM came out about the time that Meg’s was getting ready to announce the G110, I’ll bet Meg’s did think about it a lot at that point.



It’s really funny that CMA makes a big deal out of claiming that the G110 and XC3401 as being DA and insisting that the G100/7424 isn’t. I guess nobody told Meg’s that. They say motion of the G110 and G100/7424 are the same. That’s intentional. They had the G110 built to be the same (with a few changes, but nothing fundamentally different).



Funnier still is that Flex doesn’t even call the XC3401 a DA. They call it an orbital.



I’m sure there’s a long and intriguing story behind the G110. I’m also sure that that isn’t an especially accurate representation of it.





PC.
 
wannafbody said:
Well, it seems as if it's a roll of the dice with Chinese merchandise. That is why I like the Ridgid 2611, it has a higher OPM and Ridgid offers a lifetime warranty when you register it. ...
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Word over on the Ridgid forum is that the 2611 is made in China.



I agree that it’s great that Ridgid is willing to stand behind its products and customers for the long haul.





PC.
 
the other pc said:
Meg’s was obviously playing with their new machine well before the UDM was announced, let alone released. Developing a new tool takes a long time and a lot of effort. I don’t see how the UDM could have had anything to do with the G110’s development process.
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According to Terry's story (which we don't really know how much truth there is), he's calling out on the other machine and claiming other web retailers picked it up and is currently being touted on the marketplace. If there's any truth to that, then what other machine could it be besides the UDM?



Also, Meg's was very vague with how they answered customers questions whether it was just a rebadged UDM. They even put out a chart comparing their machine directly to the UDM, with specs of both machines. Up until the announcement of the G110, I never even knew the specs of the UDM. Heck, I've never even seen spec sheets for the Porter Cable/G100! So how would they even know the specs of the UDM unless they worked with the same manufacturer or studied it's design closely?
 
Well then it's what you're reading into it. From what I read you can't nail down what machine he's talking about. He does mention that there was forced rotation in the machine in question and that eliminates the UDM.
 
SpoiledMan said:
Well then it's what you're reading into it. From what I read you can't nail down what machine he's talking about. He does mention that there was forced rotation in the machine in question and that eliminates the UDM.
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then name the other machine? The UDM was always marketed against the PC as being more powerful and not bogging down. Even on the UDM website, there's an animation showing the competitor's jiggling, while the other animation shows something more along the lines of forced rotation.
 
It's nothing more than speculation as the statements from the site don't give you the information needed to "name" the machine in question. It *could* be nothing more than marketing.
 
The other machine could be the Griot's orbital. As I stated earlier in this thread, pretty much no one in this business makes their own products from scratch (depending on what we're talking about, Meg's may make their own chemicals but clearly not their own polishers or microfibers), so there is going to be some amount of marketing hyperbole and avoided questions no matter who is doing the talking.
 
BlackElantraGT said:
...Also, Meg's was very vague with how they answered customers questions whether it was just a rebadged UDM. ...
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They haven’t been vague in any conversations I’ve had with them. In fact they’ve been very emphatic that they aren’t “second sourcing� the UDM. The G110 is most definitely not a re-badged UDM in the sense of the two machines coming off the same line with different stickers (as is the case with the G100/7424). And the UDM is assembled in San Diego anyway.



Both The Perfect Shine LLC and Meg’s claim to have their individual machines made to their specifications. Does that rule out the possibility of their basic platforms coming from the same source? No. Maybe they do, maybe not. But so far nobody’s produced any actual evidence that suggests it’s so. Until we see some actual facts it’s all speculation, rumor and innuendo.





BlackElantraGT said:
.... They even put out a chart comparing their machine directly to the UDM, with specs of both machines. Up until the announcement of the G110, I never even knew the specs of the UDM. Heck, I've never even seen spec sheets for the Porter Cable/G100! So how would they even know the specs of the UDM unless they worked with the same manufacturer or studied it's design closely?
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DavidB has been talking about some specifications for the UDM for very a long time and the there’s a spec table on the website. I don’t remember how long the info’s been public.



But regardless of that, If you were a company that had just put a ton of money into developing and new product and a competitor released a similar machine just before you started selling it, wouldn’t you be willing to spend a hundred and fifty bucks to buy one and compare them yourself?





PC.
 
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