House of Wax
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stuff like this definitely makes me sympathetic to their cause:
https://twitter.com/LibertarianQn/status/778845840496594944
https://twitter.com/LibertarianQn/status/778845840496594944
The "Really ?!?!?!?!" Thread
- Thread starter Ronkh
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jrock645
New member
I dont understand this whole thing. The cop was hlack but theyre randomly attacking white people. I watched a white reporter get knocked to the ground in a very deliberate shoulder check. That guy is trlling your story and promoting your narrative and you physically attack him? Its hard to feel any sympathy for these "protestors" or even attempt to take them seriously when they do things like that. Not to mwntion theyre destroying businesses in Charlotte, yet hose businesses arent the ones theyre mad at.
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
A lot is just some people taking advantage of the situation for personal enjoyment or gain. It becomes a distraction that some use to ignore the fundamental idea.
Ronkh
Wax Waster
What is the fundamental idea ??
jrock645
New member
I dont think anyone knows anymore.
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
For the Charlotte episode, it is the Black Lives Matter issue. There are clear cases where unnecessary force was used (like the guy on the ground with hands up and then shot and the one the other day) but then others where the same issue was raised but shooting was was justified. It does not always help the cause jumping to conclusions since we know witnesses/participants can be unreliable. Of course, this makes people including law enforcement edgy. Then you have those that take advantage of protests, etc to just make trouble.
Accumulator
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Ronkh said:
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jrock645 said:
I agree with Bunky and I see a few Fundamental Ideas in play (or that *oughta* be in play), including:
-people have a right to not get killed by LEOs (or anybody else) when they don`t need killing
-LEOs deserve some modicum of [EDIT: Common Courtesy] and (though I hate the world`s connotations..) reasonable compliance from the populace
-everybody deserves basic assumptions of [EDIT: Common Courtesy] until they prove themselves unworthy
-people with firearms might shoot you if you give them (what they perceive to be) a reason
-destructive behavior directed against people/things that are not posing an immediate threat is wrong
Eh, I simply *HATE* it when people get all childish and lash out...what possible productive outcome can result from trashing a store/vehicle/etc.? Personal Gain is the only thing that comes to mind. Trashing a city is not the way to effect necessary change in our society these days. "oh, but I`m so *angry* about the inequities of the wold"...anger is only appropriate if it fuels Productive Action, otherwise it`s just a childish tantrum, the sort of response we`re supposed to grow out of. Emotions are supposed to be Functionally Useful TOOLs for successful living, not some overwhelming wave that takes over one`s behavior. Use your tools (productively), don`t be one.
House of Wax
Active member
spot on. When these people act like they do at these "protests", they effectively lose the sympathy from anyone they`re trying to get it from.
jrock645
New member
Except, every BLM protest was about a white cop shooting a black person.That was the entire narrative, and this doesnt fit that. Theyre rioting just to riot.
Swanicyouth
New member
One thing we can learn from the Communists is how to extinguish a riot / looting.
Accumulator
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(NOT directed at any Autopian in particular...)
Just can`t generalize too much. Yeah, it`s easy to do, but that doesn`t make it OK. Most every serious situation is, in some way, unique.
It`s not just "white cops against black people who aren`t cops". It`s not just "cops against people who aren`t cops". BUT there sure is enough of that [stuff] that goes on that I can understand why some people feel that way.
(Since when are people who aren`t LEOs "civilians" and LEOs *not* "civilians"? AFAIK, anybody who`s not actively serving in the Armed Forces is a Civilian. I dislike that "cops & civilians" (false) dichotomy.)
People who`ve been on the receiving end of a misbehaving LEO might have a different perspective than people who haven`t. Been there, NOT FUN...but in my case it prompted a reassessment of my behavior that lead to my becoming more LE-friendly, though I sure do stand up to [anybody] when it comes to my Constitutional Rights. I just do that in an appropriate manner instead of being a [dummy] about it and I don`t poke potentially dangerous things with a stick just because I should be able to.
Just can`t generalize too much. Yeah, it`s easy to do, but that doesn`t make it OK. Most every serious situation is, in some way, unique.
It`s not just "white cops against black people who aren`t cops". It`s not just "cops against people who aren`t cops". BUT there sure is enough of that [stuff] that goes on that I can understand why some people feel that way.
(Since when are people who aren`t LEOs "civilians" and LEOs *not* "civilians"? AFAIK, anybody who`s not actively serving in the Armed Forces is a Civilian. I dislike that "cops & civilians" (false) dichotomy.)
People who`ve been on the receiving end of a misbehaving LEO might have a different perspective than people who haven`t. Been there, NOT FUN...but in my case it prompted a reassessment of my behavior that lead to my becoming more LE-friendly, though I sure do stand up to [anybody] when it comes to my Constitutional Rights. I just do that in an appropriate manner instead of being a [dummy] about it and I don`t poke potentially dangerous things with a stick just because I should be able to.
Ronkh
Wax Waster
I hate the word "respect". Respect is earned.
But basically it all boils down to 2 words........
Common courtesy. Lose the "me, me, me mentality.
jrock645
New member
Exactly. It really isnt about respect at all. Courtesy and a basic decency.
Accumulator
Well-known member
Hey, good catch! My bad...I agree so heartily that I`m gonna go back and EDIT that! Thanks for catching my carelessness! [Darn] it, I need to pause and think a little more before posting away like that
Though I do have RESPECT for violence and the people/tools that can visit it upon me. "Respect" might be an odd word to use in that sense, but yeah...that respect was earned.
Ronkh
Wax Waster
Hey, good catch! My bad...I agree so heartily that I`m gonna go back and EDIT that! Thanks for catching my carelessness! [Darn] it, I need to pause and think a little more before posting away like that
Not really.
I respect the office of the President, just don`t happen to respect our present POTUS.
But that said, to me it still boils down to common courtesy. I have been known to hold the door for someone, and if they don`t acknowledge it somehow I will loudly say, "you`re welcome" (pretty much that a lot of people pay attention to it.)
Common courtesy = "Do unto to others................"
Accumulator
Well-known member
One thing we can learn from the Communists is how to extinguish a riot / looting.
Heh heh, that approach proved an effective means of dealing with things like Freedom and Democracy too
Accumulator
Well-known member
Well, yeah..though this could turn into one of those winnerless Semantic Games if we pursue it far enough
Swanicyouth
New member
The "Really ?!?!?!?!" Thread
True. But like any tool, you have to use it properly.
Anyone wondering why...hmmm... None of the looters or rioters weren`t at work? Wasn`t this uprising in the middle of the week?
Maybe if these people had to work to eat - they wouldn`t have time for such nonsense.
Dunno.... if I`m going to participate in a riot, it`s gonna have to be on a Sunday...
Heh heh, that approach proved an effective means of dealing with things like Freedom and Democracy too
True. But like any tool, you have to use it properly.
Anyone wondering why...hmmm... None of the looters or rioters weren`t at work? Wasn`t this uprising in the middle of the week?
Maybe if these people had to work to eat - they wouldn`t have time for such nonsense.
Dunno.... if I`m going to participate in a riot, it`s gonna have to be on a Sunday...
Ronkh
Wax Waster
Accumulator
Well-known member
Swanicyouth- I too often wonder why rioters don`t have better things to do, but OTOH when somebody (genuinely) feels that they`re fighting against a Major Societal Injustice I can see that deserving prioritizing too.
But heh heh, yeah...the [individuals] who trash LEO vehicles (with no good reason, and it`s hard for me to imagine one in today`s USA) might think twice about trying that on Armor. But "Molotov cocktails" come to mind..endless escalation is unlikely to end well and I have issues with the Militarization of LE, which I`ve seen reach too-scary-to just be ridiculous levels. E.g., traffic stops involving suburban housewives that look unnecessarily like a SWAT exercise.
[The thought occurs- gee, doesn`t Accumulator have something better to do that waste time/bandwidth discussing... ]
Ronkh- The discussion of certain Abstract Concepts defies shallow consideration, I oughta know better. "Respect for State-sanctioned Authority" falls into that category for me. Especially with regard to those who put themselves in harm`s way.
But heh heh, yeah...the [individuals] who trash LEO vehicles (with no good reason, and it`s hard for me to imagine one in today`s USA) might think twice about trying that on Armor. But "Molotov cocktails" come to mind..endless escalation is unlikely to end well and I have issues with the Militarization of LE, which I`ve seen reach too-scary-to just be ridiculous levels. E.g., traffic stops involving suburban housewives that look unnecessarily like a SWAT exercise.
[The thought occurs- gee, doesn`t Accumulator have something better to do that waste time/bandwidth discussing...
]Ronkh- The discussion of certain Abstract Concepts defies shallow consideration, I oughta know better. "Respect for State-sanctioned Authority" falls into that category for me. Especially with regard to those who put themselves in harm`s way.