The Internet's Junkman reviews Adam's Polishes!

[David Fermani]

Thanks for finally giving me credit for something. :woot:

 

[Junkman2008]

Thanks for finally giving me credit for something. :woot:

And it's a shame that you feel this is some kind of badge of honor. It is guys like you that keep a lot of people from contributing here. We were just in discussion today about that very thing on another forum. As much as you think that you are a contributor here, you are in fact a distraction and it is your types that keep me and many others from being active contributors here.



When your name appears at the bottom of my paycheck, you can start expecting something from me. I can tell you now, THAT won't happen in this lifetime.

 

[tenorplayer23]

Guys, I don't profess to be a moderator or a professional arbitrator, but I'm not sure what the fundamental issue is. This sounds bigger than just some difference in by-law philosophy and more like verbal fencing.



I'm not sure why there is a problem with a weekend car owner/detailer who morphed into an amateur detailing (polishing) video maker and then on to a semi-sponsored relationship with Adams talking about his experiences, even though they are now pointed mainly at Adam's products. Adams is a sponsor of this forum, as well, right?



As I see it, everyone, whether through experience, study, example or economics can choose a product line to line up with. Maybe not use everything that the vendor sells for every application.....but, most of a particular brand's major components. For me, a relatively inexperienced detailer, but a very smart guy.......I asked a lot of questions, watched videos by JD, saw similar at Autogeek, joined a few forums, asked a lot of 101 questions that got more sophisticated quickly and combined all the accumulated bits to settle on trying Optimum as the main product line of my detailing product arsenal.



I have other stuff mixed in from Pinnacle, DP, Chemical Guys, Lake, et.al.. JD2008 happens to have a fun gig with Adam Pitale, however it happened and now tries to do his work showing how it can be done with Adam's products, end to end. I don't see any reason why questions and answers about product comparisons, knowledge trading, new product introductions, et.al. can't be done here and fit in pretty well.



I've seen a number of pros on the forum mention that they test products for particular vendors, so I expect to hear them promote them if they work well, maybe biased over equally as good or better alternatives. I say, so what. It wouldn't seem like giving "bad" advice is the objective of any of this discussion.



Like I said, I'm not going to look at forum by-laws for any sticking points for what is going on here, but I think that having someone who: has established some processes; certainly done a good job of documenting them so our lowest "common denominator forum learner" can understand some basics and has a good feel for how Adams product work in real applications is a good idea to have around.



The Autopian price of entry is to entertain comparative questions about products of all kinds, their applicability to detailing work being discussed and to be honest. If no one knows a product comparison answer, best not to make something up to fill a gap, etc.. What else is needed?



Autogeek hired Mike Phillips away from Meguiars. Mike is learning the product lines from his new employer and others they resell. He knows a ton about Meguiars and it shows in his reporting. It will always be there. As time goes on, more comparative experience and hence, a "less biased" answers to questions & process specifics will come in droves. It already is happening. But, nobody wants to dis having a Meguiars' czar (tsar, if you prefer) in house and on the AG forum or even here as a contributor. Good to have one of those guys, right?



How about we find the mutually beneficial methodology to get JDog as a welcomed member to the forum where information transfer, education and knowledge go both ways to everyone's benefit? Why not?? And, what can I do as an unbiased party with no stake in this to smooth out the discourse??



Just my 2 cents.....................damn, I write well.



Plus, it's 4AM EST and I'm still up & wired, having screwed up my body clock to roughly Hawaiian time since my surgical/post-surg. treatment routine started. Time to try and shut this down, but I wouldn't have taken a shot unless I thought it was appropriate. Plus, as at least you, David knows, I need another test within the next week,so I expect long restless nights up until...which will get me roughly to Guam time, at this rate. Call me starting around 2AM to find me firing on all cylinders! ::shocked



Let's get something to mutually work without the barbs and so forth. How 'bout it?



Thx, in advance and for taking the time to read it through.



See ya. :wavey



Bob

I take it your "launch" failed? Should we now write you off?



I see he’s not much help either?



Junkman2008 / Last Activity: 10-08-09 01:45





:sosad:sosad:sosad

Thanks for finally giving me credit for something. :woot:

And it's a shame that you feel this is some kind of badge of honor. It is guys like you that keep a lot of people from contributing here. We were just in discussion today about that very thing on another forum. As much as you think that you are a contributor here, you are in fact a distraction and it is your types that keep me and many others from being active contributors here.



When your name appears at the bottom of my paycheck, you can start expecting something from me. I can tell you now, THAT won't happen in this lifetime.

 

[Junkman2008]

First off Bob, allow me to say thank you for a well thought out and written post. You have really taken the time to express your feelings and I couldn't agree more. For those who do their research, one Google of my screen name shows just how active I am on a ton of detailing and Corvette forums. Too many to mention here. Also, one would find out upon reading my many post that there are 3 brands that I stick to, depending on what I'm doing. For the exterior of the car, Adam's, 3M and Meguiar's are what I keep in my garage as they cover any type of damage that I may run up against. The interior is a lot easier and doesn't require such a diversity in products so I just use the Adam's line for my interior.



The thing that kills me about discussions about products is most guys have no clue about how or where these various products are manufactured. Thus, M205 and Adam's FMP could be the same exact thing chemical wise and yet, guys will argue to their death bed that one is better than the other. I have two theories on that. One, if it works for you, use it. There's no need to reinvent the wheel if the one you have works. Secondly, ANY quality product when used by anyone experienced with that product will always have positive results. If you take two of the same exact car that have been exposed to the same exact elements and have 2 people using 2 different professional line of products that they have extensive experience with, the shine will be exactly the same (that was a really long sentence :nervous. We as end users out here have no access to the manufacturing plants and thus are crazy to fight over what is best. That's why I don't bother to do so. The only thing we have are opinions.



I have had the pleasure to meet and hang out extensively with Adam Pitale and you would be hard pressed to find a guy who cares more about his customers. Because I see this in everything he does, I not only enjoy being associated with him and his product line but I also enjoy showing those who are just getting into detailing how to use his products. My whole reason for choosing to demonstrate the Adam's line is its simplicity. There are not 50 products to choose from and the process is simple to the novice detailer. The novice detailer is my target audience because I couldn't find any information that was geared in that direction when I was a novice and looking for something. This is why I made my first video series (showing the Zaino line by the way), and is why I continue doing so today.



I by no means claim to know it all, but my videos speak for what I do know. I use detailing forums to learn and teach and will always consider myself constantly learning. I help where I can, but can't be everywhere. After all, I actually have a job! I may be my own boss, but I still have to answer to my customers. :xyxthumbs

 

[Vista_Stang]

My personal opinion of Adam's and The Junkman himself have been nothing short of top notch. Back when I was searching on better products and proper techniques I ran across Adam's videos on google. From there I placed a few orders and have never had a problem with the products or customer service. Just this past summer, I had my storage broken into and a lot of detailing equipment stolen and Adam's helped me with accounting for orders placed over 2 years ago so that I could show proof of ownership. I had that within a couple hours of contacting Ashley.



On behalf of Junkman, it was he who showed me just to what extent Adam's polishes could be used with his videos on wetsanding and countless others. He stresses technique more than anything which I whole-heartedly agree with because I know for one thing, when I started, my technique was poor and I didn't achieve near the results I do now.



Again, I am only chiming in because people want to hear from Adam's users and I am a lifetime customer because of the ease of use and their customer service. I have also converted multiple people over to Adam's through my results. And, as was stated, Adam's isn't the only product out there as I use Meguiars and am contemplating trying the Menzerna line for more heavy correction issues, but Adam's is definitely a good starting point for novices and people who want a simple line to choose from.

 

[Junkman2008]

My personal opinion of Adam's and The Junkman himself have been nothing short of top notch. Back when I was searching on better products and proper techniques I ran across Adam's videos on google. From there I placed a few orders and have never had a problem with the products or customer service. Just this past summer, I had my storage broken into and a lot of detailing equipment stolen and Adam's helped me with accounting for orders placed over 2 years ago so that I could show proof of ownership. I had that within a couple hours of contacting Ashley.



On behalf of Junkman, it was he who showed me just to what extent Adam's polishes could be used with his videos on wetsanding and countless others. He stresses technique more than anything which I whole-heartedly agree with because I know for one thing, when I started, my technique was poor and I didn't achieve near the results I do now.



Again, I am only chiming in because people want to hear from Adam's users and I am a lifetime customer because of the ease of use and their customer service. I have also converted multiple people over to Adam's through my results. And, as was stated, Adam's isn't the only product out there as I use Meguiars and am contemplating trying the Menzerna line for more heavy correction issues, but Adam's is definitely a good starting point for novices and people who want a simple line to choose from.

Thanks you sir! That's the Adam I know. I saw a guy show up to a show with a kit that he had bought over a year ago and had not used. He wanted to buy some new product but was short of cash Adam gave the guy the amount that he paid for the old kit and took it back. He didn't give him credit, he gave him cash! The guy turned around and bought some new stuff and left happy as a lark. That's the Adam I know. The man takes customer service to levels unseen in business today. :2thumbs:

 

[BigAl3]

everyone is going to have their own experience with whatever companies products and customer service. while i've used adams and wasn't particullary wow'd or floored, i personally don't care for them. i've found alternatives that do the job better and for less money in most all cases. someone else can can think they are the best in the world and that's fine to him or herself. buy and use what you want, i know where my money is going and it's not to adams. who knows.. i may give adams a second try, but it won't be anytime soon...

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Where is JuneBug? This is his kind of thread!

 

[Mr.Jenkins]

Whats up Junkman...it's me "NAHURRY" from Camaro5.:woot:

 

[David Fermani]

For clarification, my comments now and at the start of this thread many months ago are not intended as a bashing of Adam’s products, but of their presence (or lack of it) here on Autopia. IMHO their efforts have been poorly executed and hopelessly pale in comparison to ANY other sponsor this site has ever had (even after DavidB publically encouraged your participation). By visiting their own forum and others they are a part of clearly makes someone scratch their head as to why they’ve held back constructive participation here when it flows quite rapidly elsewhere. I also feel by their lack of effort, that they may have not only let down Autopia and its members, but their customers and detailing in general. They can try using me as their irrational scapegoat for their premature unexplained exit, but they and many here that follow the goings on know they’ve let us down and copped out on their duty as a sponsor.

 

[Junkman2008]

For clarification, my comments now and at the start of this thread many months ago are not intended as a bashing of Adam’s products, but of their presence (or lack of it) here on Autopia. IMHO their efforts have been poorly executed and hopelessly pale in comparison to ANY other sponsor this site has ever had (even after DavidB publically encouraged your participation). By visiting their own forum and others they are a part of clearly makes someone scratch their head as to why they’ve held back constructive participation here when it flows quite rapidly elsewhere. I also feel by their lack of effort, that they may have not only let down Autopia and its members, but their customers and detailing in general. They can try using me as their irrational scapegoat for their premature unexplained exit, but they and many here that follow the goings on know they’ve let us down and copped out on their duty as a sponsor.

Well Mr. Leader of the South Florida Detailing World, Adam's participates with their WALLET. They contribute to the reason you can post for free. I don't see the term "Supporting Vendor" under your name so just how much of an asset are you to this board? If Adam had a problem with our participation level, he would have replaced us. He is the only one who has to be happy with what we do here so you probably can figure out what you can do with YOUR opinion.



This thread is about Adam's Polishes and how to use them. If you don't care for the product or us, don't bother entering or posting in the thread. Go help where ever it is you supposedly contribute. We can handle our threads without your input.

 

[Thomas Dekany]

Well Mr. Leader of the South Florida Detailing World, Adam's participates with their WALLET. They contribute to the reason you can post for free. I don't see the term "Supporting Vendor" under your name so just how much of an asset are you to this board? If Adam had a problem with our participation level, he would have replaced us. He is the only one who has to be happy with what we do here so you probably can figure out what you can do with YOUR opinion.



This thread is about Adam's Polishes and how to use them. If you don't care for the product or us, don't bother entering or posting in the thread. Go help where ever it is you supposedly contribute. We can handle our threads without your input.

Oh boy - Wait for DF or his buddies to come right back at you. How dare you question their authority!!! :sosad:sosad:sosad

 

[Junkman2008]

Oh boy - Wait for DF or his buddies to come right back at you. How dare you question their authority!!! :sosad:sosad:sosad

Yep, the Marine is over here shaking in his boots! :nana:



I don't know where this guy gets off. As if he was appointed the knighter of all who are worthy to be here. If he were that important, his face or signature would be on one of these bills I have in my pocket.

 

[Thomas Dekany]

Yep, the Marine is over here shaking in his boots! :nana:



I don't know where this guy gets off. As if he was appointed the knighter of all who are worthy to be here. If he were that important, his face or signature would be on one of these bills I have in my pocket.

David can do anything.





David!



Credit #2

 

[craigdt]

As if he was appointed the knighter of all who are worthy to be here.

Well actually, I take criticism, of the constructive sort of which he gave, by DF to be something of an honor.



Too bad it hasn't happened to me yet...

 

[charger17]

Well Mr. Leader of the South Florida Detailing World, Adam's participates with their WALLET. They contribute to the reason you can post for free. I don't see the term "Supporting Vendor" under your name so just how much of an asset are you to this board? If Adam had a problem with our participation level, he would have replaced us. He is the only one who has to be happy with what we do here so you probably can figure out what you can do with YOUR opinion.



This thread is about Adam's Polishes and how to use them. If you don't care for the product or us, don't bother entering or posting in the thread. Go help where ever it is you supposedly contribute. We can handle our threads without your input.

Ok I'll admit that I don't post too often but I am an avid reader of this forum. One guy who's contributions are always worth reading is David Fermani. His positive attitude to his craft as well as his ongoing desire to better himself and other members help make Autopia what it is.



Suggesting that Adams is more of an asset to the forum than David because they 'participate with their WALLET' just plain sucks. What a jerk! In fact 10 minutes on youtube makes me wonder if Junkman is really qualified to endorse a product.



Wonder how many members will stay away from Adams products after this.

 

[spooks]

I cant see how the direction this thread has gone down is helpful to anyone, most of all a board sponsor.

If you are here to promote your product and brand a very public slanging match with the members does you no good at all.

Sometimes you're gonna come up against people who dont like you, your product or your company, its life, its not personal, if there is something in his criticism then address it, if you dont think there is then dont



For David, I have a lot of time for what you post, not sure whats got you so riled here but I think the point has been made a few times now, maybe its time to move on , i'm sure you got a hundred better things to be doing!

 

[Junkman2008]

Ok I'll admit that I don't post too often but I am an avid reader of this forum. One guy who's contributions are always worth reading is David Fermani. His positive attitude to his craft as well as his ongoing desire to better himself and other members help make Autopia what it is.



Suggesting that Adams is more of an asset to the forum than David because they 'participate with their WALLET' just plain sucks. What a jerk! In fact 10 minutes on youtube makes me wonder if Junkman is really qualified to endorse a product.



Wonder how many members will stay away from Adams products after this.

 

[charger17]

Not very mature or professional

 

[Junkman2008]

Not very mature or professional

And what about most of this thread is? If you go look at the very first post, you'll realize that I did not start this thread, someone else did. However, I get called out for not participating anywhere else on the forum like it's my sworn duty? I tried using reason but that didn't work well as someone keeps digging this thread up. I was long gone and forgot about it.



Like it has been said on so many other detailing forums, some folks here make the place less attractive with their judgmental, holier than thou attitudes. It doesn't speak for everyone here but that 1% paints the whole board and that the consensus in the detailing community away from these boards. I didn't start it, and could care less who finishes it.



If you want to be mature and professional, how about allowing the thread to stay on topic? Its been hijacked to hell and like you said, nobody is gaining anything from it.