Swissvax: Is the consensus around here HIT or....
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steelwind101
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Hello
Like any brand they have hit and miss products. The first thing is that they are expensive so you either want to charge prices to reflect that (and if your detailing i think youu need to be approved by them to use there name?) but if they are personal use and you dont mind paying the money they are pretty nice.
The shampoo is more like aftershave and water! Little cleaner power, smells like aftershave but leaves the carlooking nice. More for washing that garage queen then serious cleaning, i would recommend Zymol Clear as the better shampoo product.
The QD detailer is ok, its nice results but you can get SCG or Clearkotes QD for so much less money and it does a much better job.
The wheel brushes are good, the clay "rubber" isnt anything you cant get for less but comes in a nice pot. The leather products seem par for the course of the rest of range as the same with the wheel cleaner. For maintence they are great, for serious cleaning they are not.
I wouldent use the "matt dash" product over the Wolfgangs interior protectant.
As for the prewax, i was never too impressed with the "cleaner fluid". It comes in a few version i just used the mild one you get in the starter sets. Leaves the finish looking nice and is less painful to use the HD Cleanse, however there are plenty of glazes and paintwork cleansers and cleaners out there which produce similar results for less money.
As far as the waxes go they are look very nice. On a perfect paintwork they have good optics and like Zymol produce that "melting ice" wet look rather then that fake wet, often metalic muting look you get with the cheaper products.
IMO Zymol Concours is a tough wax to beat for money, it lasts around 10 weeks and looks good for that long. I would pay the extra to get out of the cheaper Zymol and Swissvax waxes its REALLY worth it! I have only used Onyx and Saphir before. I recently aquired a sample of Best Of Show which is priced similar to Concours so i cant wait to try!
Having used a lot of products and as you can see some have been expensive my honest advise is if you can make money off of it do it. If your buying them for the love of the brand and those factors and you can afford go for it! But just be aware few of the products are the best on category!
Geoff
Like any brand they have hit and miss products. The first thing is that they are expensive so you either want to charge prices to reflect that (and if your detailing i think youu need to be approved by them to use there name?) but if they are personal use and you dont mind paying the money they are pretty nice.
The shampoo is more like aftershave and water! Little cleaner power, smells like aftershave but leaves the carlooking nice. More for washing that garage queen then serious cleaning, i would recommend Zymol Clear as the better shampoo product.
The QD detailer is ok, its nice results but you can get SCG or Clearkotes QD for so much less money and it does a much better job.
The wheel brushes are good, the clay "rubber" isnt anything you cant get for less but comes in a nice pot. The leather products seem par for the course of the rest of range as the same with the wheel cleaner. For maintence they are great, for serious cleaning they are not.
I wouldent use the "matt dash" product over the Wolfgangs interior protectant.
As for the prewax, i was never too impressed with the "cleaner fluid". It comes in a few version i just used the mild one you get in the starter sets. Leaves the finish looking nice and is less painful to use the HD Cleanse, however there are plenty of glazes and paintwork cleansers and cleaners out there which produce similar results for less money.
As far as the waxes go they are look very nice. On a perfect paintwork they have good optics and like Zymol produce that "melting ice" wet look rather then that fake wet, often metalic muting look you get with the cheaper products.
IMO Zymol Concours is a tough wax to beat for money, it lasts around 10 weeks and looks good for that long. I would pay the extra to get out of the cheaper Zymol and Swissvax waxes its REALLY worth it! I have only used Onyx and Saphir before. I recently aquired a sample of Best Of Show which is priced similar to Concours so i cant wait to try!
Having used a lot of products and as you can see some have been expensive my honest advise is if you can make money off of it do it. If your buying them for the love of the brand and those factors and you can afford go for it! But just be aware few of the products are the best on category!
Geoff
imported_Picus
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IMO, the waxes "under" best of show (Concorso), can be matched by less expensive products to some extent. Concorso is where the waxes start to shine. I personally prefer Concorso to Concours, though both are very good.
imported_DieselMDX
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very impressed with concorso here
+1 on the Wheel Brush, have been using it on a variety of wheels recently and have been very pleased with it's ability to agitate dirt while still being very soft on finishes.
Just got Concorso recently but haven't had a chance to put it on any cars yet but I'm anxious to see the results, IME it smells amazing though.
Just got Concorso recently but haven't had a chance to put it on any cars yet but I'm anxious to see the results, IME it smells amazing though.
imported_Detailing Technology
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+1 on the wheel brush. Its a good tool
white gecko 99
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steelwind101 said:
can anyone confirm this? sounds kind of outlandish to me.
imported_Detailing Technology
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I have the Concorso and the Mystery.
Concorso is a really nice wax. Its a hard wax, spreads thinly, and looks clean on the paint.
People also like knowing they have a $250 wax on their car. It looks insane on top of Zaino on solid Black cars. (Sorry Sal) Yes it attracts pollen.
As for Mystery, to me, on my cars, it looks the same in a side by side. Maybe darkens solid back a bit more. But thats $550 I wont spend again.
Concorso is a really nice wax. Its a hard wax, spreads thinly, and looks clean on the paint.
People also like knowing they have a $250 wax on their car. It looks insane on top of Zaino on solid Black cars. (Sorry Sal) Yes it attracts pollen.
As for Mystery, to me, on my cars, it looks the same in a side by side. Maybe darkens solid back a bit more. But thats $550 I wont spend again.
Todd@RUPES
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dsms said:
LOL So true....
white gecko 99
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jdoria said:
On top of Zaino?! I thought the higher end waxes have trouble bonding to sealants?
I'm a big Zaino fan, and I'm thinking about adding Swissvax to my LSPs. Just not sure if its worth it. My customers love the longevity of Zaino.
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
white gecko 99 said:
I think your customers would appericate the longevity of Collonite #915 as well (and the look) if you wanted to add a wax along side your carnauba. Then again using an expensive carnauba makes sense if you have clients who are willing to pay extra for the boutique treatment.
I had used Zymol Vintage last year (I think its a great wax but FAR overpriced) because I had clients request it. After they saw the wax the thought was that it didn't look any better and that it lasted like crap.
white gecko 99
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TH0001 said:
You mean add a wax alongside my sealant? *unless i'm getting the two mixed up... Isn't Collonite a sealant?*
The collonite seems like a great product, but I've heard the shine isn't quite as good as Zaino.
Outside of customers with garage queens, I can't imagine trying to sell a process (wax) that didn't last very long... Basically be given the choice btwn 8 wks and 6 months...almost all of them would choose the 6months every time. Any thoughts on that Todd?
BTW, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions! I highly respect your opinion and work!!!
Quality Leather
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I just looked at their leather lineup and would consider it extremely overpriced.
iused souveran and zymol , now ihave new swissvax best of show wax
clean fluid meduim ,clean fluid prewax and car bath
IMHO about swissvax BOS very easy to use the result is very nice speacialy the clarity of this wax .
swissvax car bath have little cleaning power as steelwind said , maybe zymol clear
better but the result its same.
ilike fluid clean meduim its samiliar menzerna final polish very nice product .
clean fluid prewax also nice bring nice clarity , ilike zymol hd-clean bring nice gloss
and better work with damp foampad beacuse zymol-hd super fast dry.
souveran is very nice wax bring top wettest look and crispy shine. but no durability .
sorry about my english!
clean fluid meduim ,clean fluid prewax and car bath
IMHO about swissvax BOS very easy to use the result is very nice speacialy the clarity of this wax .
swissvax car bath have little cleaning power as steelwind said , maybe zymol clear
better but the result its same.
ilike fluid clean meduim its samiliar menzerna final polish very nice product .
clean fluid prewax also nice bring nice clarity , ilike zymol hd-clean bring nice gloss
and better work with damp foampad beacuse zymol-hd super fast dry.
souveran is very nice wax bring top wettest look and crispy shine. but no durability .
sorry about my english!
I posted this response to high end waxes on another forum yesterday..
Here are my feelings towards boutique waxes in general:
I think everything is a mindset, you think what you want to think... we all do but essentially, that "warm fuzzy feeling" you get when you buy something expensive or rare is just in your head, it doesn't always mean that product is actually better.
Few things (cars being one of them) are easy to justify with the price you paid. You can have a $300k 599GTB Ferrari and sit inside and say okay "The leather is soft, the trim is real CF, the user interface is very intuitive (F1 tranny etc), the performance is mind blowing, the car is surprisingly comfortable". and then think you yourself... okay now I know why this Ferrari is 3x the price of a say a Z06, which may have great performance but lacks a lot of other traits the Ferrari has. See in that situation there are reasons why 1 product is superior to the other and demands the price. Not to say name brand image doesn't also factor into the extraordinary price. Zymol = Ferrari in terms of name brand recognition in each of their own markets.
With most detailing products however its tough to justify the price, because when you boil it down its very very difficult to differentiate between 2 products (1 being expensive, the other being moderately priced) and their performance. Zymol Royale and Collinite 915 for example... pretty much 2 extremes in the market performing the same function very similarly.
I think when you buy something exclusive such as Vintage (not that I own any) you not just buying a car wax. Your buying an experience. I mean im sure people get all giggly exited when their Vintage arrived, then they opened the box and saw the crystal container and grinned. And when they picture that crystal container in a write up its a symbol of quality and its something used by very few so in turn that makes them feel special. I really dont think people feel that way when they got their first pot of Collinite 915:woot:
I think that is all factored into what your paying for. I also think people try to rationalize a lot when they buy a boutique wax. They may think it will be worth it for the "upsell" so it technically is an investment in you business. Personally I believe a lot of that rationalization is just another way of getting what you want. And remember this is mostly seen with waxes, an LSP product, and product that most detailers feel adds maybe that last 5-8% of gloss to the finish. So many of us repeat the phrase "Its all in the prep work" and waxes really have nothing to do proper technique or preparation (wash, clay, correction work). The last wax I used was Lusso Oro and that was back in July, now I strictly use sealants just because I like the look they give and I feel my customers will appreciate the durability of them compared to most waxes.
Just think if WE as detailers have a very diffuclt time differentiating between 2 different LSP products how do you think a customer feels, someone who really knows nothing and has little to compare it to? I think about this alot...
Here is a prime example of a consumers reaction to getting a high end wax, in this case it was SV BOS, I cant explain it but if you look at the pictures you may understand the point im trying to make...
UK order is here! - Detailing Bliss Forum
Here are my feelings towards boutique waxes in general:
I think everything is a mindset, you think what you want to think... we all do but essentially, that "warm fuzzy feeling" you get when you buy something expensive or rare is just in your head, it doesn't always mean that product is actually better.
Few things (cars being one of them) are easy to justify with the price you paid. You can have a $300k 599GTB Ferrari and sit inside and say okay "The leather is soft, the trim is real CF, the user interface is very intuitive (F1 tranny etc), the performance is mind blowing, the car is surprisingly comfortable". and then think you yourself... okay now I know why this Ferrari is 3x the price of a say a Z06, which may have great performance but lacks a lot of other traits the Ferrari has. See in that situation there are reasons why 1 product is superior to the other and demands the price. Not to say name brand image doesn't also factor into the extraordinary price. Zymol = Ferrari in terms of name brand recognition in each of their own markets.
With most detailing products however its tough to justify the price, because when you boil it down its very very difficult to differentiate between 2 products (1 being expensive, the other being moderately priced) and their performance. Zymol Royale and Collinite 915 for example... pretty much 2 extremes in the market performing the same function very similarly.
I think when you buy something exclusive such as Vintage (not that I own any) you not just buying a car wax. Your buying an experience. I mean im sure people get all giggly exited when their Vintage arrived, then they opened the box and saw the crystal container and grinned. And when they picture that crystal container in a write up its a symbol of quality and its something used by very few so in turn that makes them feel special. I really dont think people feel that way when they got their first pot of Collinite 915:woot:
I think that is all factored into what your paying for. I also think people try to rationalize a lot when they buy a boutique wax. They may think it will be worth it for the "upsell" so it technically is an investment in you business. Personally I believe a lot of that rationalization is just another way of getting what you want. And remember this is mostly seen with waxes, an LSP product, and product that most detailers feel adds maybe that last 5-8% of gloss to the finish. So many of us repeat the phrase "Its all in the prep work" and waxes really have nothing to do proper technique or preparation (wash, clay, correction work). The last wax I used was Lusso Oro and that was back in July, now I strictly use sealants just because I like the look they give and I feel my customers will appreciate the durability of them compared to most waxes.
Just think if WE as detailers have a very diffuclt time differentiating between 2 different LSP products how do you think a customer feels, someone who really knows nothing and has little to compare it to? I think about this alot...
Here is a prime example of a consumers reaction to getting a high end wax, in this case it was SV BOS, I cant explain it but if you look at the pictures you may understand the point im trying to make...
UK order is here! - Detailing Bliss Forum