Street Dreams Detail - Porsche 997 Turbo Meteor Gray

Ng, I wanted to ask you if you realized that you were cutting into the paint while you were doing it. Did you get overconfident and do a little to much?



I guess my question is, if you were to do it again would you have run into the same problem? and what would you have done differently. Just asking becuase I would like to know if I attempted this if I would be able to tell what's going on or would be able to determine when to stop sanding. Thanks.
 
Ron,



Is I-Car certification applicable to autobody shops only in the United States, or is it a global standard?



Thank you. :)
 
I know you asked Ng this question, but I can give you my feedback from my experience. I repaired two areas on my wife's ex-Camry: One was more of a chip and the second was a 7" long key-scratch to the metal.



The Chip repaired wonderfully by going slow and only swiping the wet sandpaper lightly in one direction. Although the silver paint didn't match exactly, it repaired well.



However, the long scratch was me being too overconfident from the chip and bad materials. My main problem was that I had a piece of sandpaper wrapped around a slightly trimmed block-pencil eraser and it was too large. I began sanding down the bumpy touch-up paint, but the eraser was too wide. I also pushed too hard (so the eraser also touched the surrounding area) and I rushed, wanting to see faster results. Ugh :mad: I sanded into the primer about 1" long on either side of the scratch. I gave up there and just left the bumpy touch-up paint to protect.



What I didn't do and should have, was hole-punch a few circles of sandpaper and glue them to the eraser end of pencils. The eraser gives just a little bit, but not so much to cause additional damage, as well as provides a very small sanding area... which is easy to control.



Just go slow and don't get impatient like I did. You'll easily be able to see your progress and decide where to go.



Good luck.:up
 
Hi, I understand the sanding through the paint problem. At this moment my car is in the body shop getting my scratch repair repaired. While it is there I am having a couple of other things fixed. I finally get the bumper that had been painted elsewhere painted to match better the rest of my car. I warned them when I came in that I am REALLY picky. They made me feel confident in my choice of them. After reading this thread I went and checked for the I-Car certified shops in my area and they were on the list. I will never try and fix a scratch again.
 
Do not let a body shop wax and buff out your car. There are too many horror stories here from people who let them.

:(
 
ok ill try to make the my experience short and to the point.



i did a total of 10 areas with wet sanding, 7 of them turned out absoultey awesome, 2 of them was ok but didint hide the imperfection as well as others, and 1 (my last one) was the one that i sanded too far into the primer.



i did the exact same steps as David B explained in that old thread of his. same sand paper cut to a circle, sanded in soft back and forth motions only, used water and soap, and the same stuff used afterwards except i used 3M rubbing compound instead of the eagle one one.



when i was sanding that area i messed up on, like graeme, i was just too eager to finish the job and get it over with. it was the last spot and i was getting great results form previous 9 spots plus i was just about to dawn and zaino for the first time right afterwards. so u can see that i was pretty ancious.



what i did wrong was that i sanded too long and maybe pressed a bit harder than i needed to. but the main cntributer to my mistake was the amount of time i kept sanding. i kept sanding because it looked like that area i was sanding actually got a tiny bit worse. worse as in not smooth and blended. so naturally i tried a bit longer and harder.



i think those few moments right there when i noticed that it actually got "worse" was when i started going through the base color layer. but i just didnt think about it at the time:(



so after awhile, i wiped and met face to face with my very expensive and heart wrenching mistake... a light grey/white hole about the size of... i say, half of a tip of the eraser on a pencil. very small, very smooth (obviously).



another thing to mention was that i didnt notice any color on my sand paper or wiping towel which was a white MF towel from neatitems.



so there u have it... the most regretful mistake ive done probably in my life:(
 
<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' >

<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by puterbum [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Quick question: what grit sandpaper were you using at the time of the crime? [/b]</blockquote>
david used 1500. i only found 1000 and 2000. i was using 1000.
 
Ron, Is it possible build up a clear coat and wet sand it down to get a smooth finish. I have noticed a lot of orange on my M5 and wondered if the clear could be built up and wet sanded to give a smooth finish. I saw somthing on Dream Car Garage where they restored a Dodge Challanger and when it was painted I think they said it had 6 layers of clear that were sanded to give the desired finish.
 
It looks good but will not stand up to the elements as no matter how many coats, only the last coat has the density in the top .5 mil and the majority of the UV blockers.



I-Car is US, Canada, New Zealand. They are working to take it to Europe, but things are different over there.



Don't worry about "OEM" paint from a Honda or any other shop.

All the paint is bought from local PBE suppliers, not from Honda, etc.



Just be sure they use one of the major brands and current clears.



Ketch







:up
 
So Ron how do them cheap restaurants get about 1" of clear something on them tables? LOL



Seems I learned something from NG in this thread -- Be careful with what you do else be prepared to open thy wallet and spread forth thy green paper to man with big GRIN.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Ron Ketcham [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Don't worry about "OEM" paint from a Honda or any other shop.
All the paint is bought from local PBE suppliers, not from Honda, etc.

Just be sure they use one of the major brands and current clears.

Ketch


:up [/b]</blockquote>
thanks Ron, i think im going to save up some extra money and just try to grit my teeth at the minor but horriblly irritating mistake on my hood till i save enough.

one question though, how much do u think an I-Car place would charge to repaint my hood? i mean theres no damage from any kind of collision before and theres not alot of razy curves on it so its basicly a simple sand down and repaint deal. am i expecting arond $3-400? thats what msot people tell me from normal shops here. but since i just found out about I-Car, do they charge alot more than usual, say arond $6-700 to paint a hood like mine, just because they have that certification?
 
I tried to fix a scratch on the passenger side mirror on my sons Accord. Well, needless to say, it looked a whole lot better before I started messing with it! Since, it was being taken to the shop, and the repair required removing the mirror anyways, I am having them sand and paint it. Their charge for just painting the mirror (insurance paid for removal), was $53. So figure it out, a mirror is about one twentieth the size of a hood....so figure about $1000 give or take 5 or 6 hundred.....:confused:



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whoa $1000???? give or take 5-600? hehe thats a big deviation, its practically 50%



anyone else? maybe someone who actually had their hood painted from an accident or somthing?
 
I unfortunately have more experience with body shops than I would like to. They seem to be all the same with reguards to price (have done some shopping around). Never had a car painted that wasn't in an accident, but I would expect to pay around $500 for a complete hood re-paint. I wanted to have a dent repaired on my passenger door rocker panel which would need to be re-painted and that was going to cost $500!! So I would expect around that. ;)
 
i remenber my 96 camry....a totally new hood cost $400...uninstalled of course:D...............my sis just got her 97 CRV back panel done...had a dent about the size os a football....not toodeep though...they did a great job...it was an I-car place....it was $550 for the repair and an extra $200 to match it exactly....
 
hmm... i never thought about buying a new hood... gota check up on that and pricing... shipping will probably knock the price much higher than painting. instal is no problem for me.
 
<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' >

<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Ng Luder [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>hmm... i never thought about buying a new hood... gota check up on that and pricing... shipping will probably knock the price much higher than painting. instal is no problem for me. [/b]</blockquote>Do you mean buying a totally new hood versus getting it re-painted?? Ahh...I believe they come un-painted. Pretty sure about that.
 
i didnt mean hey go buy a new hood....i just was amazed how the way u described the damage...paying $500 is a sin...it may be a necessary sin....but man....dood...ya know something...not to make you feel worse...but i actually wet sanded a very small section of my moms car...with the aid of the same post that u used...and it came out fine....but to be honest...as far as doing it on my car....im an even bigger puss since your tragedy.....i know that the way u described becoming over confident...that was happening to me after doing a tiny section of my moms....i was thinking...not too hard....but it is hard....not impossible....but anybody who says that that kind of project...on a very new car isnt extremely dangerous...is lying....just like the previous posts....you opened my eyes man....:up ....i know this seems like....oh thx and screw your hood......but i hope it doesnt come across that way.....
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by FLONI [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>i didnt mean hey go buy a new hood....i just was amazed how the way u described the damage...paying $500 is a sin...it may be a necessary sin....but man....dood...ya know something...not to make you feel worse...but i actually wet sanded a very small section of my moms car...with the aid of the same post that u used...and it came out fine....but to be honest...as far as doing it on my car....im an even bigger puss since your tragedy.....i know that the way u described becoming over confident...that was happening to me after doing a tiny section of my moms....i was thinking...not too hard....but it is hard....not impossible....but anybody who says that that kind of project...on a very new car isnt extremely dangerous...is lying....just like the previous posts....you opened my eyes man....:up ....i know this seems like....oh thx and screw your hood......but i hope it doesnt come across that way..... [/b]</blockquote>
oh no, no harm taken there. i dont mind being the example for people who might try wet sanding and stuff. i made the mistake myself and its my own problem really. and as for the hood thing, i honestly wont mind buying a new one if it was already painted and i can get it shipped with not alot of cost. but my hood is about 45lbs. so i doubt this would be an option.

from what u said about $300 to fix that crvs dent plus $200 to paint match it, im guessing to paint match mine would be about $4-500 from an I-Car place
 
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