imported_Picus
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yankees1 said:
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Soap Suds Myth
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Anthony O.
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Suds alone do nothing. Suds mixed with lubricants encapsulate some grime which make rinsing easier and safer.
Want a really lubricating wash? Mix in some coconut oil/bananna oil (if memory serves me correctly) with your regular wash soap and water.
Anthony
Want a really lubricating wash? Mix in some coconut oil/bananna oil (if memory serves me correctly) with your regular wash soap and water.
Anthony
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Anthony Orosco said:
IIRC the Pinnacle Bodywork Shampoo has something like that in it for just that reason. Always worked well for me, but it was a bit harsh on my LSPs.
Bill D
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Yikes, yes, if the coconut oil additive is going to endanger the wax, I'd be leery of adding it to car wash mix.
Accumulator
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Well, I dunno if it was the oil that compromised the wax...but that stuff sure did a number on Souveran. Heh heh, maybe it was a marketing dept. plot to sell more wax :chuckle:
Hi all, first post here what a great site this soap/suds thread reminded me of a customer,s cars I used to look after approx 26 years ago over here in the uk.He owned 3 rolls royce silver shadow,s 1 bentley 1 ferrari dino and 2 jaguars.I would polish/wax all of these cars once every 3 months,and wash them and interior valet every 2 weeks.He told me from the begining that I had to only use clear water when washing his cars and no soapy rubbish as he called it.When I asked him why he replied ( the only thing that soapy rubbish does is wash the wax off that you have applied much quicker than the weather elements will. I don,t need my cars waxing every touch and turn because of that stuff washing the protection off prematurely) Was he correct? There was,nt many sealent,s etc over here in them day,s just good old turtle wax etc and plenty of elbow grease.cheers robbie2
Accumulator
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Robbie2- Welcome to Autopia!
Your customer might've been right in a theoretical way, but the amount of wax that a (properly used) shampoo removes is insignificant. Much more important is the fact that clear water is a pretty lousy cleaning solvent and has very little lubricity. Asolutely no way would I ever wash *anything* I cared about with plain water.
The "use plain water" thing might've come from his having read it in his owner's manuals; it use to say that in the manuals of certain British cars.
But it's a terrible way to wash.
Your customer might've been right in a theoretical way, but the amount of wax that a (properly used) shampoo removes is insignificant. Much more important is the fact that clear water is a pretty lousy cleaning solvent and has very little lubricity. Asolutely no way would I ever wash *anything* I cared about with plain water.
The "use plain water" thing might've come from his having read it in his owner's manuals; it use to say that in the manuals of certain British cars.
But it's a terrible way to wash.
Hi Accumulator yes I agree withyou I,ve always washed my own cars and all other customers cars with some form of shampoo with no complaint,s.The gentleman in question gave me 5 years of regular work before he moved abroad so who was I to argue? The old saying of (the customer is always right)come,s to mind.cheers robbie2
Soaps and detergents made for different purposes (laundry, cars, dishes, hair, etc.) are designed differently for different purposes.
From this point on I'm just using my feeble skills at logic and deduction, but in laundry and other instances where the items being cleaned are immersed, I can see where suds aren't important to the cleaning ability. With cars however, the cleaning solution should remain suspended on the surface to some extent to help the solution remain on the surface to help clean and lubricate when you wipe it down. With QEW that's not important cuz you're dipping your mitt, immediately swiping, then drying. It doesn't have to remain suspended at all. Some people do "regular" washing the same way, but others prefer to apply the soap and then swipe, and in this case I can see where suds would help just as a way of keeping the soap suspended where you want it. I've seen people talk about wheel cleaners the same way...there's an advantage to having the cleaner foam up to remain on the wheel longer than stuff that just runs off.
Just my 2 cents.
From this point on I'm just using my feeble skills at logic and deduction, but in laundry and other instances where the items being cleaned are immersed, I can see where suds aren't important to the cleaning ability. With cars however, the cleaning solution should remain suspended on the surface to some extent to help the solution remain on the surface to help clean and lubricate when you wipe it down. With QEW that's not important cuz you're dipping your mitt, immediately swiping, then drying. It doesn't have to remain suspended at all. Some people do "regular" washing the same way, but others prefer to apply the soap and then swipe, and in this case I can see where suds would help just as a way of keeping the soap suspended where you want it. I've seen people talk about wheel cleaners the same way...there's an advantage to having the cleaner foam up to remain on the wheel longer than stuff that just runs off.
Just my 2 cents.
Its surfactant & detergent that really matters and there is thousands of types of surfactants available. Some that makes bubbles some don’t some have pH inhibiters or stabilizers. Some surfactants cost a arm & leg like over 200.00 a gal but you sure are not going to buy car wash that cost a lot so… To make chemicals say cleaning agent/s work even better a surfactant is added that help it spread better which is called anti-hydrostatic and helps penetrate matter /w the help of detergent/s. To the bottom line most of surfactants makes bobbles and the ones that don’t is the type you see in carpet cleaning chemicals.
Car soap is made mostly out of surfactants, a little detergent added with perfume and coloring and that’s all it’s made out of. Well expect other additives like polymers or wax & what ever.
There is soap out there that will blow you away! I don’t mean to invalidate anyone here but you guys don’t know jack about chemicals and you should because you clean with chemicals, I don’t know all that great ether but enough to know better. Mainly because I been professionally cleaning for over 15 years. What I would recommend get some books on the type of chemical you work with and study the chemical/s. Talk to a chemist, it will cost you but if you buy chemicals from him or her he will give you all the advise you will need to know. Mostly detailing chemicals is a specialty or the right ingredients of chemicals to cause a desired effect.(like cooking) Ok I will shut up I’m tired because I had to drive all day, had to go to Sac then to Chico then back to Mendocino what a pain! Calif road rage hurry up & go home & watch Tv or ether that they want to make it in record time? I guess I’m getting old :+( dang kids! j/k
Car soap is made mostly out of surfactants, a little detergent added with perfume and coloring and that’s all it’s made out of. Well expect other additives like polymers or wax & what ever.
There is soap out there that will blow you away! I don’t mean to invalidate anyone here but you guys don’t know jack about chemicals and you should because you clean with chemicals, I don’t know all that great ether but enough to know better. Mainly because I been professionally cleaning for over 15 years. What I would recommend get some books on the type of chemical you work with and study the chemical/s. Talk to a chemist, it will cost you but if you buy chemicals from him or her he will give you all the advise you will need to know. Mostly detailing chemicals is a specialty or the right ingredients of chemicals to cause a desired effect.(like cooking) Ok I will shut up I’m tired because I had to drive all day, had to go to Sac then to Chico then back to Mendocino what a pain! Calif road rage hurry up & go home & watch Tv or ether that they want to make it in record time? I guess I’m getting old :+( dang kids! j/k
Accumulator
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Robbie2- Yeah, I always sympathize with pros who have "do it my way" customers. What're you gonna do, lose the business? About the only solution is to do what they want and explain what happened and why if something goes wrong.
Heh heh, I wonder how a pro would react if I wanted them to do my foamgun/mitt-balloon technique :chuckle: I'd pay for it if I could get it done right...
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Heh heh, I wonder how a pro would react if I wanted them to do my foamgun/mitt-balloon technique :chuckle: I'd pay for it if I could get it done right...
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]imported_Denzil
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doged said:
Post respectfully.
imported_Frugle
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but is the de-ionizer any good? I almost want to try one to use it as an inline water softener...or is there a better option?
Anthony O.
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I don't believe you can have a de-ionizer unit that small so it's not true DI water.