so who should be our next president in your opinion?

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Setec Astronomy said:
Well why don't you then point us to the legitimate new sources that broke the stories of Hillary being a dyke and Obama being a Muslim?
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I said that they can be just as legit or fake as anything out there. But everyone can belive what they want, and that's the right i'm excercising. If you dont like it, dont read it. That simple, no sense turning something small like a 20yr olds opinion into something major. You are acting pretty childish about this.
 
Brandon, I take it more as he's trying to get you to research what someone tells you. It's like when products come out around here. There are some people that I need to hear the deal from and until two of them chime in, there is no question that I wont click the order button.
 
Brandon1 said:
I said that they can be just as legit or fake as anything out there. But everyone can belive what they want, and that's the right i'm excercising. If you dont like it, dont read it. That simple, no sense turning something small like a 20yr olds opinion into something major. You are acting pretty childish about this.
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Yeah, I'm sorry for acting immaturely and not allowing you to exercise your right to believe in BS. :bestwish
 
bert31 said:
I believe a nation that provides for ones needs teaches one to be dependent on the government rather than to be self sufficient. The way the US stresses self sufficiency, entrepreneurship, and hard work built the US into the strongest nation today. I believe that is why despite the US currently going through an economic down turn and unemployment is in the mid 5% (I think) yet other countries which practice the socialistic practices you mention would love to have 5% unemployment, especially much of Europe.



Universal healthcare is a touchy subject. One reason I have reservations against universal health care is due to the fact that many countries which have it are experiencing extreme shortages in doctors in nurses result in delays in care and poor healthcare overall. Students are not entering the medical field because they don't want to practice under a system provided by the government, can't say I blame them. Several US corporations with employees in Europe will still pay for health insurance for those employees, despite the fact that they have universal healthcare in those countries, because the healthcare is so poor. I understand where the joke healthcare for all means healthcare for none.



Rudy Giuliani (who is about as liberal as a republican can be) stated he was against universal health care because people should have to work for the things they want - which I agree with in principle. I guess my problem is what about children of those who don't want to bother working hard? For that reason I could support universal healthcare for those under 18 or those under 24 who are continuing their education. Other than that, I think if we are going towards universal healthcare (which I think we eventually will with the dems on an upswing) it should be done slowly and cautiously.



I would much prefer a system where the US government offers enticing tax legislation to prompt companies to provide healthcare for workers. Right now, employers can deduct 100% of their healthcare cost for employers. I say make it 125% or 150%. In other words, if providing health insurance to employees would cost the company $1,000,000 a year (very realistic for a company with a few hundred employees) allow them to deduct $1,250,000 or $1,500,000 to encourage them provide healthcare for employees. By doing so, it keeps the government out of healthcare (for the most part).
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Cherry-picking statistics is not going to help your case. Unemployment statistics, for example, do not include underemployment.



Now, my experience may not be the norm but many of the workers my friends or I have known from their experience in the US, are some of the worst. One story I distinctly remember was that of my friend. He ran a house framing business near Detroit. His best employee flat refused to get up on top of the roof to complete framing. His best employee.



As well, in my "welfare nation" I know not of a single person on social assistance. I work hard to make sure that I will never need it, but it is good to know it is there. The US, on the other hand, is different. I had a girlfriend in Oregon, Salem to be precise. Her family lived on social assistance. No one but my ex-gf worked, and she only worked about 10-20 hours per week. The entire family of 3 (her, her mom, and her mom's bf) were surviving on food stamps. Yet, they had no impetus to work. Why is that? I'm not even sure...



By the way, my current girlfriend is at a very well-known University here and studying medicine for her undergraduate degree. I can tell you, there will be more than enough candidates to enter Medical school. There is no shortage of people entering medical studies. If anything, people should be following other pursuits because the road is so difficult. Most will end up being Nurses or otherwise.



If I had enough time, I would respond to all of your points but I am late for my bus.
 
Political discussions can go down hill fast.....



Does anyone really think whomever is elected can actually get any significant reforms? I think not. I just hope we get someone better this time. My belief is if you pass a tax cut you need to pass a spending cut.
 
ramtough said:
And whats so hard to understand shot them all and replace with some one who will do WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT NOT BULLS---.
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I guess if the people could agree on what they want, this thread would have been over 8 pages ago.
 
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not" Thomas Jefferson



I'm not a political science major nor am I active in any political party, but I read a lot and I don't recall ever seeing where in our constitution that the government has a responsility to raise your kids, provide you with health care, and pay you in your retirement. A short hundred years ago, these notions would have been unheard of. Folks, we need to make personal responsibilty our number 1 goal, the more people you pull off the government teat the more useful - employed people you have. The number one expense of the government is entitlement programs, and I can't believe how some poeple are letting candidates "bribe" them with their own money.
 
FWIW: what would the fore fathers of our fine country say if one of their counterparts was named Obama? Does'nt sound much like John Adams, or Thomas Jefferson does it? :hmph:





* Once all the new deep southerners move into the U.S., I am moving into Mexico which will be deserted, live like a king for $200 a year in Cabo * Excuse me sir or senior, need your donkey detailed...$5 :shocked



! some what sad situation overall really, IMHO! :help:



PS- I already live in the handout/corrupt politics/murder capital of the US, it cant get much worst, can it....:soscared:
 
cajunfirehawk said:
FWIW: what would the fore fathers of our fine country say if one of their counterparts was named Obama? Does'nt sound much like John Adams, or Thomas Jefferson does it? :hmph:
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Somehow I don't remember that sentiment in the "all men are created equal" part of the Declaration and Constitution.
 
cajunfirehawk said:
FWIW: what would the fore fathers of our fine country say if one of their counterparts was named Obama? Does'nt sound much like John Adams, or Thomas Jefferson does it? :hmph:
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I'm actually kind of stunned by the ignorance that is suggested by that statement :faint: Could you go to Mexico now?
 
bert31 said:
I believe a nation that provides for ones needs teaches one to be dependent on the government rather than to be self sufficient. The way the US stresses self sufficiency, entrepreneurship, and hard work built the US into the strongest nation today. I believe that is why despite the US currently going through an economic down turn and unemployment is in the mid 5% (I think) yet other countries which practice the socialistic practices you mention would love to have 5% unemployment, especially much of Europe.



Universal healthcare is a touchy subject. One reason I have reservations against universal health care is due to the fact that many countries which have it are experiencing extreme shortages in doctors in nurses result in delays in care and poor healthcare overall. Students are not entering the medical field because they don't want to practice under a system provided by the government, can't say I blame them. Several US corporations with employees in Europe will still pay for health insurance for those employees, despite the fact that they have universal healthcare in those countries, because the healthcare is so poor. I understand where the joke healthcare for all means healthcare for none.



Rudy Giuliani (who is about as liberal as a republican can be) stated he was against universal health care because people should have to work for the things they want - which I agree with in principle. I guess my problem is what about children of those who don't want to bother working hard? For that reason I could support universal healthcare for those under 18 or those under 24 who are continuing their education. Other than that, I think if we are going towards universal healthcare (which I think we eventually will with the dems on an upswing) it should be done slowly and cautiously.



I would much prefer a system where the US government offers enticing tax legislation to prompt companies to provide healthcare for workers. Right now, employers can deduct 100% of their healthcare cost for employers. I say make it 125% or 150%. In other words, if providing health insurance to employees would cost the company $1,000,000 a year (very realistic for a company with a few hundred employees) allow them to deduct $1,250,000 or $1,500,000 to encourage them provide healthcare for employees. By doing so, it keeps the government out of healthcare (for the most part).
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Universal Health care --- Why not just give everbody Medicare. To people that say we cant afford it-- but we can afford to go to war
 
cajunfirehawk said:
FWIW: what would the fore fathers of our fine country say if one of their counterparts was named Obama? Does'nt sound much like John Adams, or Thomas Jefferson does it? :hmph:
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Now *there* is a reason to not vote for somebody.:rolleyes:
 
Holden_C04 said:
Cherry-picking statistics is not going to help your case. Unemployment statistics, for example, do not include underemployment.



Now, my experience may not be the norm but many of the workers my friends or I have known from their experience in the US, are some of the worst. One story I distinctly remember was that of my friend. He ran a house framing business near Detroit. His best employee flat refused to get up on top of the roof to complete framing. His best employee.



As well, in my "welfare nation" I know not of a single person on social assistance. I work hard to make sure that I will never need it, but it is good to know it is there. The US, on the other hand, is different. I had a girlfriend in Oregon, Salem to be precise. Her family lived on social assistance. No one but my ex-gf worked, and she only worked about 10-20 hours per week. The entire family of 3 (her, her mom, and her mom's bf) were surviving on food stamps. Yet, they had no impetus to work. Why is that? I'm not even sure...



By the way, my current girlfriend is at a very well-known University here and studying medicine for her undergraduate degree. I can tell you, there will be more than enough candidates to enter Medical school. There is no shortage of people entering medical studies. If anything, people should be following other pursuits because the road is so difficult. Most will end up being Nurses or otherwise.



If I had enough time, I would respond to all of your points but I am late for my bus.
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You mention cherry picking and then do the exact thing mentioning a single incident.:rofl



My "cherry picking" is just going by what research is being broadcasted by the news.
 
Bunky said:
Political discussions can go down hill fast.....
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Indeed.



My inner-libertarian is dying to dive in and put a politcal smack-down on a few of y'all . . .



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However, there's a time and place for heated political discussion, and this ain't it. BigAl3, see what your bump did? :nono :D



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