sealants that are suppose to be topped with a carnuba

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I just recently applied zaino and the topped it with s100. It looks awsome but i have read that topping zaino with waxes can degrade it. What i want to know is what sealant is good for topping with a wax? Another quick question is now that i have topped with zaino i know that i obviously have to wait for the s100 to come off or dawn the car, But is it okay to use the z6 after washes now that it has the wax on it?
 
I do the same thing, but use have only tried Meg's paste waxes as toppers thus far.

I use normal QD (a 50-50 mix of Mothers Showtime for shine, and Meg's FI for dust encapulation/cleaning ability) once I've waxed; it's cheaper than using Z6 which is formulated to be used specifically with Z2. I'm sure yo can use Z6, it just seems like a bit of a waste to me- my $.02

Sal Z. also told me NEVER to top Z, but I found it lasted a good 6 months even once topped.

Z works great, smells great and looks great if you like the metallic, shallow shine. Topped with a good carnauba, it's incredible!

I say don't change a thing!:cool:
 
zaino really is incredible when topped with a good carnuba. I guess i will leave as is and start to qd with mothers and meguirs qd. thanks
 
I agree with those who say don't top Zaino. There is no benefit except asthetics and that's all in the eye of the beholder.



Most aminofunctional siloxane products can be topped to enhance looks. Stuff like AIO, Liquid Glass, Finish First, Duragloss, Meg's #20..... the old skool "sealants".
 
when i apply mothers i have the carnauba wax then i allways finish with reflections just adds that extra clarity to the paint and a smoother finish to the paint. :cool:
 
blk - most carnauba based products are solvent based, and application of it will remove some of the sealant.



And, most folks (in my estimation) who apply sealants do so for the look of them - which is generally, a more sterile look than what most describe versus the "warmth" of carnauba.



The manufacturers have worked hard to create products which are formulated to work together (e.g. Z5, Z2, etc). Throwing a foreign product into the mix will sometimes have unintended results which may not be desired or acceptable. When that occurs, I cringe when folks make statements about how the product didn't "work" or "look" right.



I should have explained it in greater detail above. Thanks for reminding me to clarify my reason
 
now i am a little confused. The reason why i did top it with wax is for the look. Zaino didnt have the same look until i applied the wax. I think it did look a little plasticy. What other sealant does not get these results without topping with wax???
 
Some sealants probably work better/worse with some wax toppers; some combos are just gonna be better than others.



Meg's #16 worked great over multiple layers of SG; the wax lasted over two months and the SG was still going strong when I redid it about six months (!) after that. That was over eight months without needing redone..must not've had a compatibility problem.
 
I'm deffinately no expert by any stretch of the imagination...but I've been doing allot of reading on just this subject



I hear a lot of people saying use Klasse AIO with a good carnuba over the top (p21s, Pinacle Souveran or, if you're looking for it to last longer, Meg's #16 wax got a good rating here)...But Klasse seems to be very well thought of as a polish under carnuba. I'm seriously considering AIO with Klasse's Sealent Glaze over the top because it sounds like the finish will be similar to a polish/carnuba while lasting forever...anyone have thoughts on that combo...I think I'll start a new thread with just that question...
 
lairdness- The Klasse twins give a look that's quite different from a carnauba. Some people like it, others don't. But you can always add the carnauba later, thus having the protection and durability of the SG AND the look of the carnauba. I really dunno about the trend towards AIO+carnauba without the SG...I'd use the SG too, myself.
 
I have topped Zaino with Souveran and also with P21S. To my eyes, the richness/warmth is subtle, but it is there, and the thing I really like is I can apply interim coats of these carnaubas very quickly (minimal dry time)...basically just apply and wipe off....no mixing ZFX and waiting 30 minutes to remove. I finish the buff out with Pinnacle Mist or Speed Shine and it looks great.
 
Thanks for re-stating that. I often wonder about the interaction between multiple products from various mfrs. and whether they are compatible with each other. :( It's somewhat difficult for "us" to make that determination.





I didn't realize that carnauba products would "upset" a Klasse finish due to solvent content. It's good this issue comes up.



thx.
 
tom - the key word is "may". It may, or it may not - depends on whose carnauba, and how it's formulated, I guess. I tend to err on the side of caution.
 
It's a potential risk.



Now, do you have any thoughts on carnaubas that might be more forgiving (lower solvent content) than others? :D



Thx.
 
It's not something I ever thought to research. I'd guess you'd want one low in oil content as well, to minimize any chance of incompatibility.



Right of the top of my head, I can't think of any.
 
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