Revolutionary product review (copy and paste)

[The Fuzz]

Product Hype?

When XMT, Duragloss, Collinite, Edge 2000 pads, DP Foam Soap, PwS V3, etc.. were introduced to DC they didn't see this kind of a 'Warm Welcome'.

Why don't you guys just say:

"Non Forum-Sponsored Products Aren't Up For Discussion".

That's pretty easy, and then everyone is crystal clear on the format.

I guess you and your neighbor get together and come up with this stuff and you start to believe your own conspiracies after a while.

So are you telling me that you can't find any products discussions on Detail City that would not be available from companies that advertise here?

That's pretty weak on your part John and it just goes to show that will say anything regardless of whether it is true or not. You are just doing a little PR campaighn to try and make yourself and GBG-TL not look like shills but the one that is CRYSTAL CLEAR is that you guys have an agenda and when your agenda didn't go as planned, you went on the defensive and on the offensive.

I think you said that you were going to stick to the facts. My question to you is, when are you going to start?

 

[Troy@Protekt]

This place isn't fun anymore... I miss Dwayne

I'm sorry you think this place isn't fun anymore, there are plenty of good threads on here meant to be fun and informative. This isn't one of them, that's for sure.

This was the only post in this whole thread that I saw was necessary for me to respond to. The rest is just interesting "soap opera" reading. I am coming into this argument late and I don't know the whole history, but I trust my moderators and if someone was banned or rebuked, I'm sure it was for good reason. It is ashame that we have to have moderators spend their time keeping product manufactures from using shills to promote their products.


Troy

 

[Poorboy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgm2003
Product Hype?

When XMT, Duragloss, Collinite, Edge 2000 pads, DP Foam Soap, PwS V3, etc.. were introduced to DC they didn't see this kind of a 'Warm Welcome'.

Why don't you guys just say:

"Non Forum-Sponsored Products Aren't Up For Discussion".

That's pretty easy, and then everyone is crystal clear on the format.

Case in point. I don't think any of those products combined receive as much hype as Zaino. I recall each of them being released and thoroughly reviewed by a select few. These unbiased reviews stated the pros and cons of each product. When others got them, they also gave their opinion. Can you give me one instance where one members review was copied and pasted all over the internet for people to see their "unbiased opinion" on a "revolutionary" product from one of our sponsors? I don't care if a product that isn't made by a sponsored vendor is discussed here. Actually, I would encourage it. That is the only way for our members to stay informed on what's out there. I just would like an actual discussion with opinions formed by the members typing them. I would like pros and cons, not just pros. People touting a product just repeating the same praises over and over again without listing any slight drawbacks that product might have will only deter me from purchasing that product.

I couldn't agree more with the above response. When I offered samples of PwS V3 we offered them to ANYONE with their order (i couldn't afford to ship them all for free. I gave away over 150 16oz bottles with no strings attached . I never ask people to go from forum to forum touting how great my products are! The sponsors PAY to have a seperate forum to talk about their products and introduce new ones. There is also an ignore option for those who don't want to see or hear what the sponsors or anyone else has to say.. Autogeek, Edge and myself not only help support the monetary upkeep of DC, but we all spend our time here to help out with questions. BTW ..my kids graduated 1st grade last year and didn't get a present

 

[wannafbody]

im going to get into this, why becsue its fun, and i cant resitst.
I am going to have to agree with you whole heartily. I have a reputation on this forum and many others of being a person who will try anything and give it an honset opion. It dosent matter what it costs, or who makes it. I am a firm beliver that every product desrves a chance If you dont belive me well thats fine, ask around. i wont drang anyone into it, but go ahead start a thread its who i am. Period

I have tired Zaino, and it dosent live up to the hype. I know everyone likes there own product but cumon, it dosent deliver as claimed, or as people say. It dosent look good even for a sealent. I do think its an over hyped product. It is asy to use and gives better results then otc.

If there is anyone who wants to argue with me go for it. But i will call you a fool.. heehee


and for those who are about to call me egotistical.. i do hav a reputaion, i am know for my reviews.. so deal with it


well im done for the night, im going back to my bottle of jack.

Well you are centainly entiteled to your opinion. Z2pro might not be for everyone. I persoanlly like Z5pro topped with Z8. It delivers killer results on my navy blue metallic paint. If your unable to see what all the fuss is about with Zaino I'm somewhat skeptical. Zaino is the most water resistant, longest lasting beading product I'VE EVER USED -PERIOD. It looks better than Collinite 845 and lasts longer too. To not be able to see that with your eyes I find somewhat shocking. That's not to say that oil laden products might not look better for a couple days and a couple washes tho.

 

[wannafbody]

I'm sorry you think this place isn't fun anymore, there are plenty of good threads on here meant to be fun and informative. This isn't one of them, that's for sure.

This was the only post in this whole thread that I saw was necessary for me to respond to. The rest is just interesting "soap opera" reading. I am coming into this argument late and I don't know the whole history, but I trust my moderators and if someone was banned or rebuked, I'm sure it was for good reason. It is ashame that we have to have moderators spend their time keeping product manufactures from using shills to promote their products.


Troy

I'm not sure. It seems as if new posts are few and far between. Posts get deleted (seems like it isn't an open community). Sponsors aren't answering questions in their forum. The commercial forums get the most traffic. Maybe it's about marketing.

 

[wannafbody]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgm2003
Product Hype?

When XMT, Duragloss, Collinite, Edge 2000 pads, DP Foam Soap, PwS V3, etc.. were introduced to DC they didn't see this kind of a 'Warm Welcome'.

Why don't you guys just say:

"Non Forum-Sponsored Products Aren't Up For Discussion".

That's pretty easy, and then everyone is crystal clear on the format.





I couldn't agree more with the above response. When I offered samples of PwS V3 we offered them to ANYONE with their order (i couldn't afford to ship them all for free. I gave away over 150 16oz bottles with no strings attached . I never ask people to go from forum to forum touting how great my products are! The sponsors PAY to have a seperate forum to talk about their products and introduce new ones. There is also an ignore option for those who don't want to see or hear what the sponsors or anyone else has to say.. Autogeek, Edge and myself not only help support the monetary upkeep of DC, but we all spend our time here to help out with questions. BTW ..my kids graduated 1st grade last year and didn't get a present

I hope that you aren't insinuating that another manufacturer asks his beta testers to hype his products or make exaggerated claims. I don't believe that is the case.

 

[Larry A]

Can we all just get along!

 

[Poorboy]

I hope that you aren't insinuating that another manufacturer asks his beta testers to hype his products or make exaggerated claims. I don't believe that is the case.

we have seen it before ... and yes I have learned from seeing those experiences by either keeping new products in development very hush hush or making them available to anyone...friend or not.

 

[Tex Star Detail]

 

[jaybs02]

I would be kind of curious to see what the reaction would be if someone (not the reviewer) did a cut and paste of Poorboys new PwS over at the detailersclub (where Sal is a sponsor) without being able to answer any questions.
How do you think the Admins and mods would react of there???

Why don't you feel free to do that and let us know what the response is

"J"

 

[Beemerboy]

I have always been amazed by how much Zaino discussions / boarder line arguments this product can stir up.

 

[The Fuzz]

I would be kind of curious to see what the reaction would be if someone (not the reviewer) did a cut and paste of Poorboys new PwS over at the detailersclub (where Sal is a sponsor) without being able to answer any questions.
How do you think the Admins and mods would react of there???

Why don't you feel free to do that and let us know what the response is

"J"

I can see it now...

BREAKING POORBOYS NEWS!

I met Poorboy Steve at a car show and the first thing I noticed is what an awesome person he was and how well he smelled....

Then Steve, with a twinkle in his eye and a spring in his step, took me over to his secret stash where he showed me a new product he was having his chemist develop. I asked, no begged and I pleaded for just an ounce of this wonderful new elixir........ You guys can finish the rest of this story and then we can get some people to go around the internet copying and pasting the BREAKING NEWS on all of the forums.

 

[wannafbody]

I would be kind of curious to see what the reaction would be if someone (not the reviewer) did a cut and paste of Poorboys new PwS over at the detailersclub (where Sal is a sponsor) without being able to answer any questions.
How do you think the Admins and mods would react of there???

Why don't you feel free to do that and let us know what the response is

"J"

I've never used PWS- I did however receive a sample of EX-with carnauba(older version) from someone which I tried. I found it diffiuclt to apply smoothly. It looked nice but no better than Tropicare or Mothers Reflections and had similar durability to those products. Certainly no slouch but IMO it isn't in the same leaque as Zaino. Price per ounce is less than Zaino tho.

 

[wannafbody]

I can see it now...

BREAKING POORBOYS NEWS!

I met Poorboy Steve at a car show and the first thing I noticed is what an awesome person he was and how well he smelled....

Then Steve, with a twinkle in his eye and a spring in his step, took me over to his secret stash where he showed me a new product he was having his chemist develop. I asked, no begged and I pleaded for just an ounce of this wonderful new elixir........ You guys can finish the rest of this story and then we can get some people to go around the internet copying and pasting the BREAKING NEWS on all of the forums.

I take it you don't seem to think that a non hazing sealant is revolutionary? Do you also prefer carnauba waxes from the stone age?

 

[jaybs02]

I've never used PWS- I did however receive a sample of EX-with carnauba(older version) from someone which I tried. I found it diffiuclt to apply smoothly. It looked nice but no better than Tropicare or Mothers Reflections and had similar durability to those products. Certainly no slouch but IMO it isn't in the same leaque as Zaino. Price per ounce is less than Zaino tho.

From what I have read you have'nt used Zaino Clear Seal (CS) either... but yet that didn't seem to stop you from copying and pasting a review...So what is the difference???

"J"

 

[wannafbody]

From what I have read you have'nt used Zaino Clear Seal (CS) either... but yet that didn't seem to stop you from copying and pasting a review...So what is the difference???

"J"

So you have an issue with copying and pasting someone elses review Then you guys call the original DC member who reviewed the product a shill I just find it somewhat amazing that you will go out of your way to discredit your own forum members. Why not try to discredit the product or the manufacturer

 

[Poorboy]

Have you been hanging out with rabbi :rofl

 

[The Fuzz]

So you have an issue with copying and pasting someone elses review Then you guys call the original DC member who reviewed the product a shill I just find it somewhat amazing that you will go out of your way to discredit your own forum members. Why not try to discredit the product or the manufacturer

Wow! You would be a great golfer with the way you can put the spin on things.

You aren't confused. You are trying to turn things around when it was plain to see the connection between GBG-TL, mgm2003, Greg Cavi and of course you are right here in the thick of things. Guess what, it's not going to work for you.

You obviously have an agenda here and you generally only post in threads that help you achieve your purpose.

Then when confronted, you try to turn things around and paint a picture that does not exsist.

 

[jaybs02]

wannafbody:
Is there a reason that you cannot supply me with a direct answer?

I asked why don't you do the same regarding PwS at another board and you responded that you hadn't tried the product. But you haven't tried Zaino's new product either...
So once again... What is the difference

As for cutting and pasting someone elses review, yes I do have an issue, because you can not answer questions that might arise.

Again..Show me where I said that anyone was a shill. If person is a member then why did they not post the review here themselves.

"J"

 

[The Fuzz]

Is there a reason that you cannot supply me with a direct answer?

I asked why don't you do the same regarding PwS at another board and you responded that you hadn't tried the product. But you haven't tried Zaino's new product either...
So once again... What is the difference

As for cutting and pasting someone elses review, yes I do have an issue, because you can not answer questions that might arise.

Again..Show me where I said that anyone was a shill. If person is a member then why did they not post the review here themselves.

"J"

Hey "J",

When he did the copy and paste all over the internet, I don't remember him giving credit to the source. I also don't know if he obtained permission to go posting this BREAKING NEWS all over the place! LOL

So either he did so without permission while not giving credit to the source or he did so in collaboration with the source who's neighbor just so happened to wander in after not posting for a few months just to bump the thread and start the artificial hype.

Don't expect a straight answer out of that guy, all you will get is spin as he tries to turn things around and point a finger at you.

This just isn't worth wasting anymore of our time over.