Ran into some more *SOFT* GM paint *56K* No way

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CLIFF’S NOTES BELOW



Sorry for the length, but I wish that someone would have shared this with me when I was first starting out, perhaps someone can take something from this experience.



So this paint really gave me fits, typically GM is paint is fairly hard; this was so soft that it took me forever to find the right combination of pad/speed/product.



The car had been painted in the front and the body shop left buffer swirls all over the hood and front quarter panels, really terrible buffing. The repainted areas were even softer than the OEM finish, which is hard to believe.



I first started out with a wash and clay; the clay quickly became contaminated as the passenger side was covered in over spray as well as tar.



Before beginning to buff I wet sanded a few random scratches with Meguiars unigrit 3000 grade papers.



After washing I pulled the truck in and taped it off, that’s when the fun started. Originally I thought that I was going to be dealing typically GM paint. The swirls were deep AND numerous, so I decided to try out a wool pad with #85 on the hood, holy dulling paint batman!! I then switched to a foam pad and tried a 50/50 blend of optimum polish/optimum compound, it cleaned up the haze from the previous combo, but left hazing of it’s—it also did not have the cut needed to remove the marring. I then tried Meguiars #84 compound power cleaner on a cutting pad, no way—too much marring. After trying an assortment of other products I finally discovered what I needed to do. Having had some experience with soft paint I have learned that anything more aggressive than a light-polishing pad is going to have too much to finish down. So I began experimenting with the Hi_Temp products. Hi-Temp extreme cut with a Meguiars polishing pad @1700 RPM’s removed the swirls left only a very slight haze. This product really finishes down nicely. While removing the polishing residue on this car I had to mist the area with a spray detail and keep the microfiber towel folded in such a manner that the edged did not come into contact with the paint, if I did not it would mar the paint.



I then had the left over haze to deal with left behind by the HT extreme cut. I knew that I was going to use a polishing pad, but needed the product. I remembered how well the 3M perfect III machine glaze had worked on the Porsche, it saved me again. What a fantastic product, it leaves a nearly perfect finish. I applied this product at 1200 RPM’s with a Meguiars polishing pad.



I always follow my work with a porter cable or cyclo polisher, this time I decided to use the same 3M PI-III MG with the cyclo via green cyclo brand pads. The paint was so soft that I had to make sure that the pad was fully loaded before polishing a section. If the pad was not completely saturated with product it would micro mar the finish. Once I learned this I tried to switch to the PC with a finishing pad (same product) for whatever reason, this was worse. So I continued with the cyclo making sure that the pads were fully loaded. Again, I misted the area with a spray detailer increase lubricity when removing the residue.



The paint was near perfect at this point. I followed up with 1Z metallic polish by hand (again drawing from my experience with the Porsche), then proceeded with two applications of Optimum polymer wax.



I also did the engine and interior, but no pics.



This job to 11+ hours to complete.



Cliff’s notes:



Paint was really soft, needed major correction, process was:



Wash



Clay with Meguiars aggressive over spray bar



Wet sand random scratches using Meguiars unigirt 3000 grade papers



Apply Hi-Temp extreme cut via rotary @1700 RPM’s with a Meguiars polishing pad



Apply 3M Perfect-it III Machine glaze via rotary @1200 RPM’s with a Meguiars polishing pad



Apply 3M PI-III MG via cyclo polisher and green cyclo brand pads





Apply 1Z metallic polish by hand



Apply two coats of Optimum polymer wax



Tires are dressed with Meguiars all-season dressing





Before, these buffer swirls came free from the body shop—no charge. They also burned some paint off of the front fender flare for free as well. :D

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More free marring from the body shop

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The hood (the hood and fenders were the areas of repaint)

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All taped up and ready to be buffed:

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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!!! It amazes me that body shops don't know how to finish or wheel out a car! That's like a dentis not knowing how to pull teeth! ***!!!



Truck came out great! I am shocked it took so long based on some of your past details that came out great in no time at all! That means it would take just about everyone else on here about 40 hours to do that! LOL



Very nice work!
 
Those before shots are going to keep me up tonight! :nervous2:



Excellent makeover and I share your frustration with soft/easily marred paint. I had a fit the first time I polished that Cayenne I see regularly.
 
Last pic is immediately saved! Incredible.



Watch closely the 3M. A friend did my trunklid after a snowbrush incident with 3M PI-III Trizact compound. It removed the scratches and left a flawless finish in a few seconds. I couldn't believe it. Something was fishy because it worked too great, too quick. But I SAW the results, so I believed it. However, after 1.5 months... With one wash it was still intact. After the second wash (Sonax Gloss Shampoo), BAM! Almost everything returned. It was perfect illusion which fooled me - even under halogens. I've never seen such heavy filling from a single product. I can not imagine how does it do this; the scratches were pretty serious.
 
Bence said:
Last pic is immediately saved! Incredible.



Watch closely the 3M. A friend did my trunklid after a snowbrush incident with 3M P-III Trizact compound. It removed the scratches and left a flawless finish in a few seconds. I couldn't believe it. Something was fishy because it worked too great, too quick. But I SAW the results, so I believed it. However, after 1.5 months... With one wash it was still intact. After the second wash (Sonax Gloss Shampoo), BAM! Almost everything returned. It was perfect illusion which fooled me - even under halogens. I've never seen such heavy filling from a single product. I can not imagine how does it do this; the scratches were pretty serious.





Wow, the trizact is the replacement for the PI-III line right? That is really strange, I thought that the trizact lkine was filler free, guess not. I haven't had any issues witht he PI-II in the way of filling.



Thanks everyone!!!



Diesel1, yeah man, the interior slowed me down a bit, but finiding the right combo took about one hour. It also took longer than usual to tape, lots of stuff to cover. :D
 
How in the hell do these body shops get away with returning a car to someone like that, I would raise holy hell. Just proving how picky I am I had to get my hood repainted and I saw some sanding lines below the clear, I made them re-do the entire hood.



Ofcourse they lied to me and told me initially that they would strip the hood to bare and start from there and they actually only sanded the hood and sprayed paint over that. Grr....crapola.
 
Your attention to the craft astounds me!





I'm super happy that Hi-Temp Extreme Cut worked out for ya...It has worked wonderfully for me in the past.





The afters truly show the work you've put into the paint.





Again, simply stunning!
 
Simply awesome, I've been dealing with some soft paint, and finishing pads here lately too, however, I know I'll never dream of making it look remotely similar to that.
 
Amazing! Those last after pictures really show off your work well. Everytime you post about soft paints is making me want to get some Perfect It III MG...I know it is discontinued but I know a couple places online that still have it so I might have to throw it in my cart :) Great job!
 
Thanks everyone for the compliments, this truck was *really* difficult for me.



Sean, I am just about out of my quart of EC (too many samples exchanged :) ) You want to split a gallon? I find that it cuts like a heavy compound, but finishes down *very* well. I also don't get the "slubs" of product that I get with the HC or MC, but I do get DUST.



Joshua312, if you ever run into some soft paint, I would not be without the 3M PI-III MG.
 
Joe,



Dam thats some work you did there :up

The Extreme Cut.. does it dust at all? Comparing with M#83,it really dust.



TIA
 
klnyc said:
Joe,



Dam thats some work you did there :up

The Extreme Cut.. does it dust at all? Comparing with M#83,it really dust.



TIA



Yes, it dust much more thasn DACP. Then again, I don't get *too* much dust with DACP. Changing pads often or cleaning the pad regularly really helps.



The HT line is really excellent, with the extreme cut and light cut being the stars (IMO).
 
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