Proper application of Werkstatt Jett and Carnuba Jett?

GlossyTundra

GlossyTundra

Tractor Detailer
I tried my new werkstatt stuff on two black denali's this afternoon. Both of them were preped with optimum compound and a polish pad. I have alot of trouble removing jett. Carnuba is fine, but the acrylic is a PITA. I tried putting it on and letting it haze and that was super hard. I then tried WOWO method, with alot of smearing. I dont think I am using to much, but maybe I am. I use a dime size piece on half hood/fender/door etc. What am I doing wrong?



Thanks

Brandon
 
I've been using AJ for awhile now and have found that THIN layers are a necessity. Even more so that Klasse SG. Even with careful application I still get a few areas that wont completely buff clean so I follow up with Trigger to help with removal. Works for me.
 
Dime sized is way too big! Once the pad it primed, maybe 3-4 drops per panel. Spread it over the panel, then without adding more product, go over the panel again a time or two until you can hardly see anything, then remove.
 
Or just spray it on.

I applied a coat of AJ by wipe on to an RX3

Used an MF pad with side to side motions (not overlapping)

Removed five minutes later with damp MF towel



No problem
 
-Lebowski- said:
AJ is just not worth the headache in my book. I would rather use EX-P or IW 845 my new go to LSP.
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Apply AJ with the techniques listed above and it really isn't a headache, at all. Removal is difficult only if you use too much and/or let it dry. The trigger version is supposed to be very easy but I haven't tried it.
 
If applied indoors AJ seems to be very easy. I did not use the WOWO method either. I allowed AJ to dry for 30 minutes without any removal problems. The testing I did leaving AJ on for over an hour (indoors with temp about 68* low humidity) was a bear to remove completely without re-saturating some areas with more AJ and WOWO.



Using Flatsick's recommended MF applicator method (pea-size amount), I worked the product into the finish until it was almost gone (Zaino-like ultrathin coat). Buffed with plush MF about 30 mins later. No problem.



Outdoors application :nixweiss
 
I have also left it on in the sun (reflecting on a panel) for about 5 mins or so and still had no problem removing.
 
I use the spray on and buff off method and have no problrm with AJ at all. Simply spray AJ across the panel, spread with a clean MF towel (folded twice) and keep buffing until the surface turns clear. If the MF cloth gets a bit 'soak' up, after spreading simply flip over to the dry side and give it a final buff. The only draw back with this method is you will find yourself using more product.



After finish applying and buffing off AJ to the whole car and if you spot some areas not buff off properly with the white residue, simply go over those area with the MF towel that is 'soak' with AJ than buff off with the dry side and the residue will come off easily.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
If applied indoors AJ seems to be very easy. I did not use the WOWO method either. I allowed AJ to dry for 30 minutes without any removal problems. The testing I did leaving AJ on for over an hour (indoors with temp about 68* low humidity) was a bear to remove completely without re-saturating some areas with more AJ and WOWO.



Using Flatsick's recommended MF applicator method (pea-size amount), I worked the product into the finish until it was almost gone (Zaino-like ultrathin coat). Buffed with plush MF about 30 mins later. No problem.



Outdoors application :nixweiss
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Glad to see you had no issues with it. figuring you use Z, I knew you are use to applying sealants super thin. I feel going from using Z to AJ is easier in a sense that you trust the super thin applacation for your coverage. as wierd as it sounds I let the AJ drip out of the bottle on drop at a time and apply it with my MF applicator and you would be suprised how far the drop will cover. then using the tip from Scottwax , I work the AJ in the finish until it is clear and vanishes. then wipe off. hope that makes sense. considering the first poster was using a dime size amount we can see how it would be hard to remove. guess the bottom line for me is that until you use it ( or Z ) you can not believe how little is really needed to get the job done. hope this makes sense to the person who started the post. I have used it in direct sun on black with no issues. have to admit the tigger is making application super easy. maybe trying that version would help the people who find it hard to use? these are just my thoughts......... hope somebody finds them useful.
 
I used the second generation Jett a couple days ago. Unlike Klasse SG, you only have to wait an hour or so between coats. The second generation version can be applied either the traditional way (a few drops on an applicator pad and rub in until gone, then buff) or, by attaching the sprayer that came with it, you can use it like a QD - wowo. I used the sprayer. You use more product but I just sprayed and buffed it in and off with a microfiber towel. Then, the final pass was with a buffing/polishing towel. It was a piece of cake and I did three coats on one day. It would have taken me two or three days to do this with SG. The looks are the same on my silver Honda. We shall now see how durable Jett is compared to SG.
 
I've used Werkstatt Prime, Acrylic Jett, and Acrylic Jett trigger on two vehicles now, ...My white protege5, and my dads red f150.



I used a portercable/excel blue pad (my first time using a PC!) with the prime and acrylic jett, and trigger (on white car), portercable/excel blue pad with prime/AJ/ then AJ trigger with microfiber on the truck.



With my white protege5, it was difficult to remove the product. I was disapointed, perhaps spoiled with what I was using before before (megs nxt, by hand). End results look amazing, even getting reflections on white! But all was hard going except the acrylic jet trigger.



The next weekend with the truck, tried them all again. This time I really let the Prime set for the 30mins like they said. WAY EASIER TO REMOVE. As for the Acrylic jett, it was still a bear for me. I must be putting it on waaaaay to thick. Took forever to buff off one side, I even resulted to using a QD to help.



Discouraged, I didnt finish applying Acrylic jett, and instead did the other half of the truck by hand with mf towel and acrylic jett trigger. HUGE HUGE HUGE amounts easier. Big time. Just sprayed on MF, worked on, waxed off...boom.



Now I'll just have to see how each side holds up and compare....but Trigger was a true pleasure compared to my PC applied Acrylic jett.



In summary, for me, Acrylic Jett Prime was easy to remove if I actually let it cure 30 mins. Acrylic jett was a HUGE pain, and acrylic jett trigger is pure bliss comparatively.



So for me, it was :



Wash

Clay (first time doing so...if your afraid, just take the jump. it's a cinch to do and has really smooths the paint.)

Wash

Acrylic Jett prime (porter cable/blue excel pad)

Acrylic Jett(porter cable/blue excel pad)

Acrylic Jett trigger (microfiber towel)





Just my 2cents...(long first post, i realise)



Jason



PS. Do you guys use a PC to take OFF the product too? Ie., use another (clean) excel blue pad to remove product instead of MF towel?
 
I don't think you should use a PC to apply AJ, you can either use a foam applicator pad or MF applicator pad to apply AJ. Apply it thin until it almost disappear into the paint work, this way you will not have any problem removing the residue later. Alternatively, you can apply AJ like the Trigger, simply spray on and wipe off. This way is very easy to use but you will tend to use more product.
 
AJ has no Carnauba in it. It is a pure sealant.



I used the Werkstatt Prime/AJ combo this weekend. Prime came off no problem after letting it sit 30 minutes.



I had some trouble with the AJ though. I applied it by hand with a foam applicator (uneven.. some places thick) and I think I waited too long. I did a quarter of the car before taking it off. I really had to rub hard and afterwards left a ton of streaks. I had to get my quick detailer to take it out. I think just doing 1 panel and taking buffing it out would be better?



This stuff looks great once its on the car! Really clear, bright and makes the flakes on my silver car pop. The downside as far as I can see is taking off the AJ is a pain. Especially since I was doing this at night in the garage and I didn't see all the streaks until the following morning.
 
This has been covered 100s of times now.



1. Apply Prime and work in until it is pretty much invisible, maybe 2-4 passes with the PC and use less than you think you need. Removal should be absolutely effortless.



2. Apply AJ in a thin layer on a single section and without adding more product, go over the panel with your foam applicator again and knock down any high spots. At this point, AJ should be hard to see when looking straight at the panel. Remove immediately or apply to another section then go back and remove. Either way, if you applied it thin then knocked down any high spots, AJ is very easy to remove.
 
Scottwax said:
This has been covered 100s of times now.



1. Apply Prime and work in until it is pretty much invisible, maybe 2-4 passes with the PC and use less than you think you need. Removal should be absolutely effortless.



2. Apply AJ in a thin layer on a single section and without adding more product, go over the panel with your foam applicator again and knock down any high spots. At this point, AJ should be hard to see when looking straight at the panel. Remove immediately or apply to another section then go back and remove. Either way, if you applied it thin then knocked down any high spots, AJ is very easy to remove.
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Ok, sorry ScottWax and thanks for your explanation.

Regards.
 
maesal said:
Ok, sorry ScottWax and thanks for your explanation.

Regards.
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Nothing meant towards you, just that I and a few others have mentioned how to use Werkstatt products but not many people seem to be listening and have problems with the removal. Now I can just link this the next time someone has a problem. ;)



Seriously, once you get the hang of it, Prime and AJ give incredible results.
 
Scottwax said:
Nothing meant towards you, just that I and a few others have mentioned how to use Werkstatt products but not many people seem to be listening and have problems with the removal. Now I can just link this the next time someone has a problem. ;)



Seriously, once you get the hang of it, Prime and AJ give incredible results.
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I ordered today Prime Carnauba (to be base for Carnauba waxes) and Acrylic Jett Trigger. AJT will top Carlack68 Nano, wich as I know is Prime. I also have Grotey2000, the same as AIO. I can't wait to check this 2 products...
 
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