People charging $55 for an Interior Detail

Everyone is entitled to charge what they please. Obviously if a company has developed efficiencies and economies of scale, they can charge less and still make a good profit. That is not the reality for most of us. We need to charge accordingly for our time and expenses. Many of the non-legit businesses have less expenses; no licenses, insurance etc. They can charge less because of this, but usually do not survive very long. In the long run, the companies who charge the right price and operate efficiently are the ones who have long term success. I have said this before, but one way to increase profit, other than raising prices, is to operate more efficiently.
 
A friend of mine is a pro detailer. He charges $200.00 for a complete detail.It includes inside, engine, Buff, wax , wheels , wheel wells, door jams, glass, . It takes him 3 1/2 hours to do a average car . Now wetsanding, componding, paint correction, claying, leather treatment, excess tar removel, are all extra. These are upsale items. Except for excess tar removel and the claying, very few people want the upsale items. All they seem to want is a basic detail. If he only did mega details he wouldnt have any busness at all. For $200.00 he does a very good job,and his customers are very happy with that.
 
lawrencea said:
A friend of mine is a pro detailer. He charges $200.00 for a complete detail.It includes inside, engine, Buff, wax , wheels , wheel wells, door jams, glass, . It takes him 3 1/2 hours to do a average car . Now wetsanding, componding, paint correction, claying, leather treatment, excess tar removel, are all extra. These are upsale items. Except for excess tar removel and the claying, very few people want the upsale items. All they seem to want is a basic detail. If he only did mega details he wouldnt have any busness at all. For $200.00 he does a very good job,and his customers are very happy with that.



What do you mean by buff?
 
lawrencea said:
Buffing is useing a rotary with a compound,and or polish , to clean the paint and remove scratches.



You said he doesn't do that though... I'm trying to figure out what people mean by the word "buff" when it comes to detailing... to me it always meant buffing off, with a mf towel, a wax or polish residue...
 
lecchilo said:
You said he doesn't do that though... I'm trying to figure out what people mean by the word "buff" when it comes to detailing... to me it always meant buffing off, with a mf towel, a wax or polish residue...



He does buff the cars with a polish, with a rotary. He uses a sealant with a PC. He does a one step buff .A compond ,and glaze buff is is a extra charge , in most cases not needed.
 
lawrencea said:
He does buff the cars with a polish, with a rotary. He uses a sealant with a PC. He does a one step buff .A compond ,and glaze buff is is a extra charge , in most cases not needed.





Please stop using the term "buff". It's a horrible cliche for good detailers.
 
lawrencea said:
A friend of mine is a pro detailer. He charges $200.00 for a complete detail.It includes inside, engine, Buff, wax , wheels , wheel wells, door jams, glass, . It takes him 3 1/2 hours to do a average car . Now wetsanding, componding, paint correction, claying, leather treatment, excess tar removel, are all extra. These are upsale items. Except for excess tar removel and the claying, very few people want the upsale items. All they seem to want is a basic detail. If he only did mega details he wouldnt have any busness at all. For $200.00 he does a very good job,and his customers are very happy with that.



Every car should be clayed before touching the paint with anything like a polish, compound or wax.
 
AeroCleanse said:
Every car should be clayed before touching the paint with anything like a polish, compound or wax.



And people should eat healthy, yet McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's and Krystal's is making billions off of people....(or used to...you get the idea)



What is ideal and what people want/expect are two different things. This is something I am starting to really understand now that I work a large property of upper-middle class tenants. People who make great money and have nice cars.



If you find someone wanting the ideal detail(the real autopian stuff), chances are they are A: a car guy or B: Incredibly wealthy. I am starting to think that the C: type that the majority of people are is the type that wants a premier job at a premier price, just does not exist.



Instead, type C: is the majority of people who just want their car shiny. I believe there are odd groups that are a mixture, but they are very small groups. (speaking of car owners, not dealerships)



Instead of cutting myself out of work but only catering to a single group, I offer something for everyone. I do not offer a $20 int/ext package. I do have my own limits. But for the property where there are a lot of people who make everything from worker-bee/gopher money up to upper-class money I offer it all. An int/ext wash for a coupe starts at $35. That takes a little less than an hour and I can offer extra services to up sell the job. It's easy to take 1 hour and bill $60.



Working smarter not harder is nice. But sometimes, in this economy, you have to work harder too. There is no single "best way" unless you've already got a slammin' clientele that isn't going anywhere(even then, never say never). Chances are to get that clientele you had to do it all at one time anyways.



When I saw this thread I wanted to give my .02. I believe there is room for everyone. The $15 wash guys will probably run themselves out of business. No worries tho, someone will come fill their shoes. Truth is the people using the $15 washes will never become any worth-while portion of your business. So the point of them using dirt cheap "car washers" over you is moot. But some of the guys here are hurting themselves by insisting that an owner does everything perfectly.



Explain what is ideal to the customer and the prices. When they say that cost too much as them what they want out of a detail and how much they are willing to spend? Create a package for them to get as close, if not spot-on, to what they want in that price range. Explain that by leaving out certain steps what the results will be. Then do everything they are paying for the best you can. I mean, don't say you'll clean leather that will take 1 hour for $10 and give them a shoddy job because they aren't paying as much. Either clean it right for the right price or say that you can't give it proper attention for that little money. Do it right or don't do it. But leave up the customer what they want to leave out. If they don't want claying, which most people give a "what?" look over anyways, don't give it before a coat of wax/sealant. Give them what they ask for. Worse case the paint needs a polish sooner than later, who are they going to call to fix that??? ;) (it was their choice after all)



I used to only offer perfection with paint correction or nothing. That was killing my opportunities to get new clients. I now offer a single step that doesn't look as good as full correction, but clients are happy with it. That's all that matters.



There is a fine line between making a customer happy and seeing their business again, and making yourself happy with how a vehicle looks. If I had to make myself 100% happy with every detail/wash, I would not make money. Because I know how it could look I wouldn't be happy with any "basic wash" I offer clients on my own car. But if I were to have a detailer wash my car I'd be paying $100 for a wash. I, personally, would fall into that group of car guys who will pay for quality.



Know who you're going after in business and cater to them. That's exactly what those $15 mobile car wash guys are doing.
 
If a customer wants a polish or wax I automatically clay, its not something I offer as optional. If I offer a mobile car wash only, then that's what they get, not a detail.
 
AeroCleanse said:
If a customer wants a polish or wax I automatically clay, its not something I offer as optional.



And your price will reflect that extra effort and time to clay.



In my case, I always clay when I polish(the price reflects that as well). But for waxing or sealants I offer with or without. It's their choice. I can educate them on the subject ad nauseam. But for those who don't want the clay, I have a choice, either I get their $60+ for just a sealant/wax or they can pay someone else to do it. Either way, they are not getting the clay.



I suppose I could just go on and say the cheapest wax/sealant job is $100 that would reflect the claying also. But for many, that extra $40, for a service they don't see the need for or want, puts me into a group that they choose not to use.



When the car is washed, the sealant is on and the paint looks "better than when I got it", that means I have done right by making them happy. Never mind that I see crazy swirls, gobs of scratches and the paint isn't smooth. They are ecstatic when they get their keys and I get my $10 tip on top of my making $40-75 per hour. While I do what I can when washing to keep paint as swirl free as I can, many could care less even at that. They want visible dirt gone and shine.



I'm no hack either. I've done plenty paint correction, interior steams, leather cleanings, deep cleanings, engines and details. I've worked for Volkswagen on 2 different press releases, in Atlanta and in San Francisco. But I am not selling what someone is not buying. I try to be all things to all customers. If they just want a quick wash and wax for -$100, that's what I can offer. As long as I am already there- driving to a single location is a different story, so is larger vehicles. A fine example is Thursday a lady rolls up in a full size Escalade and asked for a price on a wash. I told her $65 for the basic inside/outside and more for anything else. She asked for "armor all" and I told her I would use a vinyl safe cleaning agent and get all cracks and vinyl thoroughly cleaned and conditioned for another $25. The same job for someone calling me and having me come to their house on any given day would cost probably $185. My correction rate per hour is $65 and I get those jobs too. Imho, the trick is to market yourself to the largest amount of people available. The group I don't go for are the $15 wash people. That leaves a lot of others. Namely, the middle of the road, kind of people.



Don't get me wrong either. I am not suggesting you must do it my way. I am just voicing my method that I have seen steady growth from.
 
I don't try to be everything to everyone. I learned in business school that its a bad idea to be one person and try and cater to everyone. I realize some people are bargain hunters and others care about quality. I prefer to deal with people that care about quality.



I think of customers cars as rolling advertising. If they say to someone else I detailed their car, get its still full of swirls, it reflects poorly on my business.



To my way of thinking, that's what separates a detailer from someone that just washes cars.



Claying is so cheap to do its a no brainer for me.
 
AeroCleanse said:
I don't try to be everything to everyone. I learned in business school that its a bad idea to be one person and try and cater to everyone. I realize some people are bargain hunters and others care about quality. I prefer to deal with people that care about quality.



I think of customers cars as rolling advertising. If they say to someone else I detailed their car, get its still full of swirls, it reflects poorly on my business.



To my way of thinking, that's what separates a detailer from someone that just washes cars.



Claying is so cheap to do its a no brainer for me.



By being everything to everyone I mean that I have prices that could appeal to anyone, other than the stated cheapos I don't care to have. If you want a $35 wash it's there for the s2k owners and such. If you want full correction or concours level work, you can spend a few thousand. With that philosophy I have 3 days of business park work and 2 days to schedule in the people who generally care more and spend more on the appearance of their car.





I agree with the rolling advertising. But the guy who just wanted a wash when it has swirls and says you washed his car is no different from the same guy who asked for me to just wash his car and has a swirled up ride. Just because you offer a basic wash doesn't mean you can't do more. It certainly doesn't mean you "just wash cars." You said yourself that you offer just a wash to clients who want that.



Whether someone gets a single step, a leather cleaning, vinyl detail or full correction, they are going to be happy with the services they paid for. It's about offering variety and keeping busy for me. I am one of those guys that would rather work and make only $100 in a day than sit and do nothing more than watch tv all day. When that $35 basic wash client calls back asking to spend $250 for their new car or to sell the one they have, it's the icing on the cake.



I won't argue terms and names. Detailer or just does car washes...if my client is happy with their basic wash, they tell their friends and coworkers about me I will be busy and make money. I will be happy to be called a car wash guy and not the next Paul Dalton. I won't turn my nose up at good honest money.:2thumbs:
 
TH0001 said:
lots of hacks charge a lot less



... and lots of them charge butt-loads more for crap work
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, but which one is the more damaging to us? The ones that charges a lot less that are poor quality, or the ones that charge absurd amounts of money with even worse results?
 
Apollo_Auto said:
... and lots of them charge butt-loads more for crap work
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, but which one is the more damaging to us? The ones that charges a lot less that are poor quality, or the ones that charge absurd amounts of money with even worse results?



The ones that charge more because they give quality/expensive detailing and detailing in general a bad name and turn people away from it... I think
 
It really depends on the market. I see that a lot with people under cutting me and I never understand it because they cannot be making anything by doing it that cheap.
 
Craignf said:
It really depends on the market. I see that a lot with people under cutting me and I never understand it because they cannot be making anything by doing it that cheap.



They likely need cash so making a living is not one of their goals. If it cannot sustain them they will go under. If they can continue, it means they are fulfilling a need and making what they want out of it.



If 95% of the population does not mind taking it to a very touchy car wash then the consumers do not seem to care as much about the attributes of a hand wash. They do not know the difference. It is the pro detailer's job to educate them first and then sell them on paying more what they expect for less. You will get some converts (less than one may think).
 
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