PC and Menzerna didn't work :(

Update: I did half the hood with menzerna and on speed 6.. Yes it did make a diff. but I had to go over the same spot on the hood like 2-3 times. But I believe once I do that on the whole car I will be happy.. Thanks for the input anyone has given me!
 
still having problems removing my swirls on my 350z.. I went back and did a full polish on my car with my PC on speed 6 and worked it until it turned clear.. They are still there like I never touched them. I guess my next move is going to be more tougher stuff.. I have some of that. im getting disgusted because I know I have done perfect jobs on other cars with less problems?
 
LandonZ said:
I have one, I have done that too.. Orange pad on my rotary on about 1000 rpms.. Still nothing
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Try cranking the RPM's up to 1800-2200 and keep the rotary moving. I'd also suggest a softer pad for rotary work.
 
Well, I agree about the softer pad, but i tried it on a small spot to see if it was doing anything.. going to keep trying
 
on my z i used a pc @ speed 6, with zaino pc, and that knocked out all the swirls. i'm surprised that a pc and IP, let alone a rotary and IP didn't touch your swirls. How many passes are you making? what kind of technique? Are you letting the polish completely break down, cause it's kind of finicky with the menzerna line. I would have figured even a polishing pad with 106ff would have left good results?? Somwone mentioned to hit the paint between 1800-2200 rpms.. I wouldn't recommend that unless you are an expert with the rotary.
 
i am not a expert with a rotary by no means..But I do have alot of experience with buffing cars. I will try next time to turn up the speed alittle more..But if that doesnt work does anyone have any suggestions on how I could get these deeper swirls out of my car. Maybe by using another product??
 
if they are deep they aren't really swirls but rather scratches and may be too deep to fully remove without a wool pad, compound and rotary-not reccomended unless you have decent experience with a rotary.
 
I want to say that they are not scratches. the car only has 5000 miles on it. They are in a swirl motion. they are not scratches. Ill have to keep working it with my rotary but I swear this has been a royal PITA
 
xfire said:
Hmmm...You haven't mentioned it, but, did you work the PC at a speed of 6, with some pressure and at a very slow pace, passing 7-plus times on the surface of the paint? Speed of 6 really makes a difference, at least to me, in comparison to any of the lower speeds for paint defect removal. Secondly, have you thought of instead of going more aggressive, going less aggressive? For example, use your cutting pad and IP, then drop down to a polishing pad and FP II, then a finishing pad and 106FF?? I wish you luck autopia friend.
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Oh man, don't put too much pressure with a PC because it will halt the spinning and all you will get is wobbling... Not much polishing!



If you're needing to press that hard, just use a rotary and a heavier pad.
 
Bence said:
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That's how it should be every time, with all products.
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i was saying that as in I thought that the more abrasive of polish you use it will put actual swirls on your paint until you finish it with a lighter more mild polish
 
LandonZ said:
i was saying that as in I thought that the more abrasive of polish you use it will put actual swirls on your paint until you finish it with a lighter more mild polish
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I think there is some confusion of terms. You never should have burn marks, I think you are talking about micro marring caused by a heavy polish. Hope that helps.
 
Yes, im sorry, I mean the marring that is caused by the polish. anyway, I got my hands on some power gloss and ill see how that does
 
When you work in the heavier polishes, even some compounds long enough, you can break the abrasives down so far that they will produces an LSP-ready finish. Micromarring is avoidable and not happens necessarily.
 
I have the same color Z as you and used the Menzerna Nano polish with PC at speed 6 and removed practically all the swirls. I'm surprised to hear that you are still having a hard time removing them. Well, if you want to try another product, I suggest trying the XMT line. They work really well too.
 
I've never tried Menzerna but have always used 3m products for heavy buffing and cutting. The medium cut compound with an agressive pad followed by the finesse with a softer pad then the swirl mark remover. Just did my girlfirends blue honda with those drive thru spinning brush carwash marks all over it and it looks beautiful.

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Wow this thread is all over the place :O



As far as burns, micromarring, ect... Here is a picture I took this afternoon of a lotus I polished with Menzerna SIP with a wool pad. You can see the finish looks amazing, but there is light holograms in the paint. This is normal with a wool pad however...



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With aggressive pads/compounds/wools ect... you might not finish down completely LSP ready, but you should be fairly close if you break the polish down all the way. With more aggressive pads/compounds/wools you may have light hologramming in the paint, that will need to be remove after, but generally the swirls should be gone. You might also have micromarring, that looks like thousands of TINY scratches in uniform directions.



1000 rpm is really not that much with a rotary, and is basically used to refine the polish after it has broken down. IP likes to be cut around 1300-1500 in my experience, and powergloss responds better to slightly higher rpms say 1500-1800.



I don't want to sound like a jerk, but it really sounds like you have no clue what you are doing. You say you have experience buffing cars, but the that means little if your experience has been incorrect. Polishing with a rotary is somewhat of an art form, but it must be developed.



Eitherways good luck, but I think your technique may be faulty...
 
1000 rpm is what i use with swirl mark removers and glazes to slowly work out the swirls made with the more agressive products made at 3000-4000 rpm.
 
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