Orange Peel Removal by Rotary with Xpert and Malaysian pads

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Hello All



Firstly I must say that it is extremely brilliant to be back here on the forum for many years and I can see a definate difference in the kind of people and the pro's we have vs other forums that are Euro based.



They are great too but this place has some amazing talent.



Anyhow, I have been talking about orange peel removal by rotary for a couple years and had been trying to work out how to do it to a much better level than what has been possible on refinish and OEM paints with the old school method which doesnt always work



So recently I stumbled across a You Tube video from an Asian company who make products and provide high end detailing services who can do this



I ordered their peel removal pads and polish a month ago and tried their polish but it is of the old school style, being thick, solventy, petro chemical lubricant based claggy compound so instead, I tried their VELVET and DENIM pads with my preffered product, Xpert Ultra single polish system I get direct from the company using a variety of rpms and arm speeds



My friend in Idaho can do pretty good peel reduction with System One X3 aka System 51 and wool but I wanted better



Got a Holden VE Commodore sedan front fender from a painter friend and decon'd it with FK1, Clay and my own pre polish paint purifying scrub. Then did the bottom section with Xpert and 4 inch LC orange pad at 1000 rpm to bring up some gloss.



Now these pads may not necessarily removal all 100% on every car or many but 50 to 90% is easily achievable very quickly and by the time I perfect my technique, very little marring to fix with a Surbuf and my 10,000 OPM random orbital



The benefit of this is you can see the peel vanishing before your eyes unlike sanding and no haze or sanding marks to remove. (even though thats not hard really)



Now of course I won't be using this on customers cars until the technique is perfected and I get a new gauge to measure thickness. The asian company says of a 110 micron factory paint finish (aussie cars have this much) the peel may be 10 microns or a little more and thats what would be removed.



And most certainly, I will not use these pads on every car, only those that have the paint to allow this to be performed and not on hard paints and ceramiclears as their peel is in the base.



Yesterday I did a section above that with the pads and got this result



Firstly - Pads



Velvet

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Denim

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OEM Factory Peel finish prior to a quick polish and peel removal

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After velvet pad with Xpert (middle section done, far right section not done

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OrangePeel015.jpg


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Subscribed. Each side looks totally different with a huge difference in OP. You've peeked my interest. What is the process and workflow for this application? Those pads look very interesting. Can you link us their contact info?



And btw, you're totally right about the new Autopia. It's a combination of old and new talent that is always willing to learn from each other. Glad you're back posting your ultra crazy research here. :biggrin1:
 
David I am currently doing 1200 to 1500 rpm with Xpert doing a small section like 2 by 2 or 3 x 3 but the guys in asia said do bigger sections to keep heat down



I spray the pad before use with ONR and do the DSMS method (guy from detail bliss forum) of priming the pad (blob of polish and 9 and 3 o clock and rub in all the way)

Then 4 drops of Xpert. I have to try a 3 to 6 inch ribbon of polish and more drops of polish before I'll know exactly how much will work best and the quickest.

My friend Chris uses twice to three times the amount of polish because he's doing larger sections when correcting so he does make a mess but he cleans it up really easy later. I prefer to not make a mess.

I will get back to you on that



As for contact details of the company, you'll find them in my favourites list on my you tube channel
 
Very nice. I would buy this stuff by the pallet if it works as described. How much time is needed for this process?



John
 
Interesting.... I'm guessing this is different than that Osren stuff we've been hearing about in the past? Or is this Osren?
 
is Xpert the pad manufacturer as well?

got this when i tried to play the video:



This video contains content from WMG, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

Sorry about that.
 
no xpert dont make those pads. they make liquids.

the pads are the OSREN ones from malaysia. I tried the polish they used in that video that Porta has posted but I dont like polishes like that which are very much old school in formulation technology.



here is my first video

Orange Peel 022 - YouTube
 
JohnKleven said:
Very nice. I would buy this stuff by the pallet if it works as described. How much time is needed for this process?



John
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The process is very quick, a minute to a few minutes, same time as it takes to do correction. with the denim pads, 20 to 30 seconds on a small area.

The gang at osren do large sections to keep the heat down but I began testing doing 2ft by 2ft sections as I figured the bigger the area, the longer it would take to reduce the peel.



long ways to go yet

This is just the first of many R & D projects i am working on throughout this summer
 
Brad B. said:
Subscribed! Interesting stuff. Sounds a bit dangerous, though. Be careful! ;)
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oh most definately, spending months and months on this to perfect it

And will use a gauge to test each car and its panels before deciding whether to remove or reduce the peel from the paint finish.
 
David Fermani said:
Subscribed. Each side looks totally different with a huge difference in OP. You've peeked my interest. What is the process and workflow for this application? Those pads look very interesting. Can you link us their contact info?



And btw, you're totally right about the new Autopia. It's a combination of old and new talent that is always willing to learn from each other. Glad you're back posting your ultra crazy research here. :biggrin1:
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What you joking refer to as Ultra crazy testing that I do is not crazy, its me trying to find new ways of perfecting paint and other vehicle surfaces that no one else or very few people have even tried and taking the industry technique and technology wise to the next level.



If all we do is detail the same old way, sure we'll make money but occassionally we need to be trying to break new ground and producing evolutionary and revolutionary products, techniques and technologies.



My legacy will not be that I worked, made money and thats it. I'm dedicated to being the Bruce Lee of the detailing industry. the best this world will ever see.
 
You know, not long ago someone mentioned how crazy it was that just recently we started to see MF make its way to DA pads considering how long MF has been out. They went on to ask what do you think the next newest innovation in car detailing will be, and out of all things, jeans and cordouroys were nowhere in mind. Very neat things you're coming out with, keep it up!
 
Here's two of my favorite quotes:



I am learning all the time. The tombstone will be my diploma.~Eartha Kitt



I firmly believe that you live and learn, and if you don't learn from past mistakes, then you need to be drug out and shot. ~R. Lee Ermey
 
SpoolinNoMore said:
You know, not long ago someone mentioned how crazy it was that just recently we started to see MF make its way to DA pads considering how long MF has been out. They went on to ask what do you think the next newest innovatio



n in car detailing will be, and out of all things, jeans and cordouroys were nowhere in mind. Very neat things you're coming out with, keep it up!
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Thanks very much. I've always believed that anything is possible, just find a way to bring it to reality



During my very early years here on autopia (circa 2001-2002) I believed that we would see microfibre pads come onto the market but thought that

they would replace foam but then I learnt that MF is more aggressive than foam.



Who knows what lies ahead with pad materials. Human Hair, animal hair, silks, rayon and other materials for glass swirl and scratch correction, I am going to get in touch with the malaysians and see if they will make me 4 inch spot pads and also rectangular hand pads for use in super fast correction of deep deep straight line grooved scratches.



they certainly have more power than wool pads in terms of removing super heavy defects with any single polish system.



I'll keep researching, scouring the globe for unique products and tools and co developing a new era of chemicals for vehicle surfaces.

We aint seen anything yet. If you have ideas for the next generation of detailing tools and chemicals, shoot me a PM
 
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