imported_Yal
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SubyDude said:
I noticed that in the thread history too:nixweiss
Optimum vs. Menzerna Polishes
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I noticed that in the thread history too:nixweiss
imported_Bence
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Some say that any LSP detracts a bit from the crystal-like clarity of the Menzerna twins' finish. OPS is able to reach an absolutely comparable finish WHILE laying down a slick sealant layer. Period.
SpoiledMan
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Bence said:
Exactly my point. Thank you sir.
EDIT: Actually it doesn't seem to be my point after rereading it. The two simply aren't comparable products.
imported_Bence
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You are welcome Chris!
Thomas Dekany
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SpoiledMan said:
compare #16 to poli seal & ????
SpoiledMan
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tdekany said:
Poli Seal(polish and sealant) compared to 106FF(defect removing polish)
IMO it simply doesn't work to compare the two products.
Thomas Dekany
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SpoiledMan said:
if it was warmer I'd do a 50/50 on the hood for you to see if you can quess what side is what? :think: :think: :nervous2: :nervous2:
SpoiledMan
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A picture posted on the internet is no way to tell the "difference" between two products and how they look on a car. I have both products and personally don't see how you guys are coming the the conclusion that they appear the same. My point is that 106 achieves it's looks without any silicone, wax or synthetics. Top that with some Z2 and you have simple brilliance.
imported_Bence
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But there is no further need to top OPS...
And OPS is "just" a one step, but contains a similar abrasive package that the upcoming Optimum finishing polish ( a direct equivalent of the PO85RD or 106FF) will have.
The math:
Menzerna finishing polish (über pure clarity) + sealant or wax of your choice = a hair less overall clarity, but with protection.
Optimum Poli-Seal = same results, only with one step less.
And OPS is "just" a one step, but contains a similar abrasive package that the upcoming Optimum finishing polish ( a direct equivalent of the PO85RD or 106FF) will have.
The math:
Menzerna finishing polish (über pure clarity) + sealant or wax of your choice = a hair less overall clarity, but with protection.
Optimum Poli-Seal = same results, only with one step less.
SpoiledMan
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I don't know what the durability will be like with OPS and I'm not likely to find out. Maybe it just doesn't work that well for me as I'm just not all that impressed.
mgm2003
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SpoiledMan said:
Ditto.
After comparing OPS to Prime Strong and Z-AIO, I think OPS needs further refinement to close the gap.
SpoiledMan
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Thanks John. I was starting to think my eyes were messed up or something.
Anthony O.
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I have been using FPII for a long time now and love the way it finishes out on dark colors but on light colors, silvers, one is hard pressed to tell the difference between OPS and FPII.
IP does not finish out as well as OCP plus I can use OCP with a green cutting pad as well as a 100 ppi finishing pad to produce a swirl free finish. I could never do that with IP.
Hyper doesn't cut as fast as PG initially but it cuts as well in the long run plus less dust and fewer swirls. Hyper will leave me with fewer swirls over PG and the same pad.
OPS will correct more than FPII, finish out almost as well plus adds protection in one step so for the pro detailer it's a no-brainer. I think one can buy a gallon of OPS for the price of one quart of FPII.
Anthony
IP does not finish out as well as OCP plus I can use OCP with a green cutting pad as well as a 100 ppi finishing pad to produce a swirl free finish. I could never do that with IP.
Hyper doesn't cut as fast as PG initially but it cuts as well in the long run plus less dust and fewer swirls. Hyper will leave me with fewer swirls over PG and the same pad.
OPS will correct more than FPII, finish out almost as well plus adds protection in one step so for the pro detailer it's a no-brainer. I think one can buy a gallon of OPS for the price of one quart of FPII.
Anthony
SpoiledMan
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Anthony Orosco said:
Did good til you got here. A quart of OPS is $20 and a quart of FPII is $26.
mgm2003
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Anthony. Man, I love your work and enjoy your posts, but I have to respectfully disagree on your comparison of OPS vs. FPII.
FPII is a polish, where OPS is an all-in-one polish/protectant -i.e. they are fundamentally different products. Based on my uses, the 'look' achieved from OPS is from the short lived silicone, which initially adds eye appealing gloss/pop, but doesn't hold up in daily driving conditions (at least not in the NE).
If I were to compare OPS, I would stack it against K-AIO, Prime, Prime Strong, Z-AIO, etc... FPII would be better compared to OP, agree?
FPII is a polish, where OPS is an all-in-one polish/protectant -i.e. they are fundamentally different products. Based on my uses, the 'look' achieved from OPS is from the short lived silicone, which initially adds eye appealing gloss/pop, but doesn't hold up in daily driving conditions (at least not in the NE).
If I were to compare OPS, I would stack it against K-AIO, Prime, Prime Strong, Z-AIO, etc... FPII would be better compared to OP, agree?
Anthony O.
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SpoiledMan said:
I'll use TOL as a price comparison.
32oz of OPS is $15.95
32oz of FPII is $25.95 while 16oz is $15.95
1 gal. of OPS is $39.95 meaning 1 gal. of FPII would cost close to $50.00
mgm121499 said:
I was comparing them more in the sense of over all finishing, leaning more on pros. As I stated, FPII finishes out like nothing else on dark colors but for a pro OPS far out performs FPII as it corrects and seals in one step.
Anthony
SpoiledMan said:
Because I and a few others have a different opinion on something as subjective as appearance, you "don't see how you guys are coming to the conclusion they appear the same". Is this that important to you?
I don't think anyone has specifically said they look exactly the same anyway. Better or equal doesn't necessarily mean "the same"
For example, they don't appear *the same* but to me, they look equally good. OPS definitely has better depth and 106 has better clarity. Since on dark colored cars I usually use a carnauba, OPS has me closer to the look I am after than 106. I have to add RMG into 106 to get the added depth I am after. That isn't a slap at 106 at all, it is just a preference.
On solid black or red, I'll take OPS (or RMG) and a quality carnauba to finish out over anything else. On silver, I will probably be happier with 106/Prime/AJ.
Just because we have a difference of opinion on this doesn't mean either of us is right or wrong, we are just looking for different things to finish out the paint prior to applying an LSP.
I don't want to speak for SpoiledMan but his point seems similar to the one I was trying to make earlier. The finish left behind by OPS vs. FPII isn't really an apples to apples comparison since OPS leaves a sealant behind while the Menzerna leaves nothing. Clarity should be the only judge when comparing a true polish. Adding depth isn't a polishes job.
Bigpoppa3346
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MichaelM said:
Agreed. A polish can't create "wetness" or "depth" unless it leaves something(fillers, oils) on the paint. OP can't finish "deeper" than FPII, because it leaves nothing on the paint. A polish burnishes the paint to a crystal clear, vibrant finish. How can one polish finish down "wetter" or "deeper" than another? Does it burnish the paint in a different way? Don't think so. Not really knocking any product out there in particular, but the only way do judge the way a polish finishes down is the clarity of the finish left behind. Period.
MichaelM said:
No, but if that is your ultimate goal, it makes sense to me to use OPS instead of (or following, even) 106 of FPII.
On customer's cars, sometimes I have to compromise on the number of steps they are willing to pay for vs the look they want to achieve. I can't always go compound>106>OPS or RMG>LSP. Usually, I have to make a choice between something like 106 or OPS to achieve quality results within the amount of money the customer is willing to pay and the advantage OPS has over 106 or FPII (besides, IMO, better depth) is that it lays down a protective base to apply an LSP over.
On my own black 626, the paint is a more 'bright' black than a 'dark' black. The last couple of times I have lightly polished it, I went with OPS instead of 106 because of how OPS adds depth and noticably darkens my paint. That is why even though I love Werkstatt's Acrylic Jett, I still go with carnaubas on my own car. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with AJ, it is just that it tends to exaggerate the brightness of my black paint when I prefer to mute it.
Does this make sense?