Optimum NoRinse vs Meguiars Last touch

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Ok i ran out of Optimum no rinse and needed to do a quick wash.



So i thought i'd use some Meguiars Last touch, so i did a quick check of the ingredients and they sound very similar.



Meguiars Last touch can be watered down as a clay lube or used full stength as a spray detailer this seems similar to most rinseless washes.



So i put some Meguiars Last touch in my bucket and it was as slick if not slicker than Optimum no rinse and did the job perfectly.



Whats your thoughts on this? I have two gallon of Meguiars Last touch so i might put off buying more Optimum no rinse.
 
musicdjs said:
I'd be a little hesitant, unless you know for sure the Meguires can be used as a no rinse procedure.
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I guess he DOES know for sure, since he already did it and said it "did the job perfectly".
 
Did you do a swirl test with Halogens before and after? If not, then he doesn't know for sure and I'd never trust that type of wash. I will usually QD with Last Touch after washing with ONR and both products feel (regarding QD) a lot different than each other in application and look.
 
Both of them can be used for waterless wash.

Both of them can be used a clay lube.

Both of them can be used as a quick detailer.



However only Optimum no rinse mentions it can be added to a bucket as a wash.



Both products mention a pretty much identicle phrase about the polymer lubcricants...



Thats why i went with it.



However Optimum No rinse may very well be more concentrated as u mix it 10:1 as a clay lube where as Meguiars Last touch is diluted 2:1. So even though Last touch is half the price Optimum no rinse would make twice as much wash or clay solution.
 
BTW if you add ONR to a bucket wash, it's as a water softner and to keep the dirt in the bottom since it encapsulates it. however, the downside is that it will kill your suds. The Meg's stuff recommends using a duster b4 you use Last touch (ONE in Australia, I think), Who the hell wants to address this situation: "I think I'll drag a damp MF over my paint to wash it, but first, let me move some of the dirt around with a dry duster." Definately not for me, but to each his own.
 
Well, hold on there for a second. I defiantly do NOT recommend diluting Last Touch into a bucket and using it as a rinseless wash like ONR. ONR in this respect does a fantastic job and I swear by it. However, in terms of using ONR as a quick detailer or clay lube, I think it is one of the worst products I have ever used for the job. It marred the surface up pretty badly during clay, and defiantly didn't do a great job in terms of being streak free as a quick detailer. Even with ONR washes, I always follow up with UQD to add a bit of protection to the paint and get rid of water spots from the dirty water.



In this respect, Last Touch remains my favorite clay lube since it is still inexpensive ($15 for 2 gallons worth) and lubricates the surface very well, not scratching the surface with clay.
 
If you got dirty water spots during an ONR wash, the process is seriously flawed.



Can you explain?



ONR works excellent as a clay lube and as a QD.
 
integritydetail said:
ONR is rinseless, not waterless
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The website clearly states that it can be used as a waterless wash. Just like Last touch.



If Meguiars mentioned that you could add Last Touch to your wash bucket to form a rinseless wash then the deciprtions on the webpages would be identicle opposed to being 90% the same.



Both products mention polymers encapsulating dirt and lubricating the surface.

Both products can be used as a quick detailer

Both products can be used as clay lube

Both products can be used as a Waterless wash.



I believe Meguiars doesn't mention rinseless wash as Meguiars doesn't condone the process. If it condoned the process then it would probably reccomend last touch to be used as the rinseless wash as it has all the attibutes of optimum no rinse.
 
LT is just a good QD. Use it like any QD on a dirty surface...with caution and expect some marring with continual use.



According to peoples experience ONR, OTOH, will not marr a dirty surface with continual use (providing we're not talking caked on mud, and is used correctly).
 
TTWAGN said:
The website clearly states that it can be used as a waterless wash. Just like Last touch.



If Meguiars mentioned that you could add Last Touch to your wash bucket to form a rinseless wash then the deciprtions on the webpages would be identicle opposed to being 90% the same.



Both products mention polymers encapsulating dirt and lubricating the surface.

Both products can be used as a quick detailer

Both products can be used as clay lube

Both products can be used as a Waterless wash.



I believe Meguiars doesn't mention rinseless wash as Meguiars doesn't condone the process. If it condoned the process then it would probably reccomend last touch to be used as the rinseless wash as it has all the attibutes of optimum no rinse.
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I promise I'm not trying to flame you, but you are 100% incorrect about OPT condoning of in any way recommending ONR to be used waterless. I don't know what website you are referrring to, but you have information that did NOT come from the manufacturer. You are welcome to contact Dr. David G. via the Optimum Forum as he has a "ask Dr. G" section. Here is the link:



Optimum Forum (Powered by Invision Power Board)



Again, I'm not trying to be a know-it-all but I was very skepticle B4 I used this product and did a lot of research.



Hope this helps!

Chris
 
integritydetail said:
I promise I'm not trying to flame you, but you are 100% incorrect about OPT condoning of in any way recommending ONR to be used waterless.
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Optimum condones rinseless washing Meguiars doesn't

Meguiars condones waterless washing Optimum doesn't



You obviously have no idea and must simply listen to what the manufacturers tell you.



There is a massive grey area between waterless washing and quick detailing. Some products say to remove light dust, heavy dust and some same they require a clean surface before use.



Im confused by your lack of ability to comprehend the links between two products one that can be used for rinseless wash, clay lube and quick detailer the second can be used for waterless wash clay lube and detailer.



So many manufacturer list their clay lube as waterless washing capable, so does that mean that Optimum clay lube cant be used as a waterless wash because the manufacturer says so?



There are no such set categories where a product is 100% perfect for this application and then 0% perfect for another application.



If one manufacturer lists a product to be: waterless wash, dust remover and quick detailer does that mean that a product that is a waterless wash and quick detailer cannot remove dust because it doesn't mention it?



Obviously it can.. you need to open up your mind a bit.



Optimum no rinse could probably be used as a lubricant in the bedroom... ;)
 
Did you ever see the movie Tommy Boy with Chris Farley? In this movie he said: "I could probably get a better look a my steak by sticking my head up a bull's a$$, but I'd rather take my butcher's word for it." In this case, I'd rather take Dr. G's word for the product HE created, not because I'm not willing to try new things, but because I simply cannot afford to EXPERIMENT with customer's cars. I like to detail, and am not, nor pretend to be a chemist. Having said that, I appologize for posting a response to your thread at all as I thought you needed more information about proper use of a product that I am very familiar with. Obviously, you already know all you need to and need NO advice. As a professional, I not only have to stand behind my labor, but the products I use as well. If I do not use chemicals per directions, then I alone am liable for ANY resulting damage. You may just be a curious enthusiest experimenting on your own car, and as such you may do ANYTHING you like, but I'd advise you not to do that with someone else's property. Would you practice your logic in other areas? Take more medicine than a doctor prescribes? Use 20W-50 in a 2008 Honda rather than the recommended 5W-20? etc. I'm not a big fan of learning the hard way and I'm too old and money conscience to buy things twice because I messed up the first one. Do whatcha like, though, and open your mind (and wallet) all you want,



Cheers,

Chris
 
integritydetail said:
Did you ever see the movie Tommy Boy with Chris Farley? In this movie he said: "I could probably get a better look a my steak by sticking my head up a bull's a$$, but I'd rather take my butcher's word for it." In this case, I'd rather take Dr. G's word for the product HE created, not because I'm not willing to try new things, but because I simply cannot afford to EXPERIMENT with customer's cars. I like to detail, and am not, nor pretend to be a chemist. Having said that, I appologize for posting a response to your thread at all as I thought you needed more information about proper use of a product that I am very familiar with. Obviously, you already know all you need to and need NO advice. As a professional, I not only have to stand behind my labor, but the products I use as well. If I do not use chemicals per directions, then I alone am liable for ANY resulting damage. You may just be a curious enthusiest experimenting on your own car, and as such you may do ANYTHING you like, but I'd advise you not to do that with someone else's property. Would you practice your logic in other areas? Take more medicine than a doctor prescribes? Use 20W-50 in a 2008 Honda rather than the recommended 5W-20? etc. I'm not a big fan of learning the hard way and I'm too old and money conscience to buy things twice because I messed up the first one. Do whatcha like, though, and open your mind (and wallet) all you want,



Cheers,

Chris
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I completely agree with you.
 
I agree with Bence, ONR has become my clay lube and QD, I still have about 5 other QD's sitting on the shelf - I'll eventually use them just to get more shelf space. I used ONR as a clay lube on a silver Acura this past Saturday, the paint was seriously contaminated and I got some Pop-eye forearms working that ball of clay between panals. No issues with ONR though.
 
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