Opening a Paint Overspray Division..Anyone Else Gotten into this?

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After a wickedly profitable overspray weekend last month, I am creating a website marketed towards the whole US overspray removal market. Insurance companies, industrial painters...etc. Has anybody else found success in doing $5,000+ overspray removal jobs and keeping a steady flow of work coming in?



Also, I'm trying to make a note of every known way to remove overspray from every common surface. Can anybody spit out some ideas or references? I currently know of Varsol, razors, citrus degreaser, tarminator, claybar, and micro mesh sand paper. What else is there?



Thanks
 
Over the past 3 decades, seen them come, seen them go.

Most were "snake oil" no professionalism, etc.

The number one is Detail Masters of San Antonio, TX.

They have a web site, they do thousands of vehicles around the world, as well as hail damage, enviormental damaging releases from refineries, etc.

They are good and most of the larger insurance companies know them, call them, hire them.

They have crews available all over the country, plus representatives in a number of other countries.

These people know that once they are hired for the job, they have to accept some long term liablity for the vehicles and their finishes, based upon what processes they used.

Grumpy
 
Ron Ketcham said:
Over the past 3 decades, seen them come, seen them go.

Most were "snake oil" no professionalism, etc.

The number one is Detail Masters of San Antonio, TX.

They have a web site, they do thousands of vehicles around the world, as well as hail damage, enviormental damaging releases from refineries, etc.

They are good and most of the larger insurance companies know them, call them, hire them.

They have crews available all over the country, plus representatives in a number of other countries.

These people know that once they are hired for the job, they have to accept some long term liablity for the vehicles and their finishes, based upon what processes they used.

Grumpy
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Sounds kinda like Paint Bull....
 
I don't think Paint Bull really gets into paint overspray AFAIK. The problem with overspray contracts is that for every customer that will pay you well enough to do the jobs correctly and make a decent profit there are 100000000000 idiot "detailers" that will do the jobs for nothing and hack up the cars. The companies literally don't care unless it comes back on them. We used to do overspray removal for a large company that had a filtration problem at their plant and would coat all the cars every summer in some kind of paint hardener that would get shot out of their filtration units. Absolutely the most difficult overspray I have ever dealt with - at least 2-4 hours per car just to get the overspray off and then every car needed a full polish and wax. There were shops in the 2 or 3 small towns surrounding the plant that wrecked 2 or 3 paint jobs before we finally got called in. They were offering "up to" $250 for all that. Not a snowball's chance in hell I was doing that. We told them from the get go we would only do the cars @ $60 per hour and we weren't willing to do a hack job just to meet an artificial price ceiling they set - we would only do it right or not at all. I guess the employees threatened to get lawyers so we started to get the lions share of the cars for the next year. After that, a new person took over in that department and told us we get $250 and nothing more - take it or leave it. We left it. Afterwards we still got a steady stream of people in that had their cars butchered by the hackers they were hiring for us to try and fix them. Apparently the company got their lawyers involved and made all the employees sign a waiver that if they wanted to park on company property they would not be allowed any compensation for the overspray and last I heard went out of business during the beginnings of the automotive crisis a few years ago. I've seen it happen over and over again.
 
My name is Jeff Suggs and I am in the overspray removal business. I specialize in the removal of Protective & Marine Coatings and Polyurethane spray foam in the form of overspray damage to vehicles. The overspray business is a very specialize field, but anyone can learn the craft. I don't know why some of the members seem to have very negative opinions about the overspray business. There is a lot of money to be made in this kind of work verses just doing detailing alone. I travel all over the world repairing vehicles from all sorts of overspray damage. I average 4 to 5 vehicles per day in a 12 hour period. I always do a pre-existing video report in front of the customer for their protection and mine. I also make sure that when I am doing the inspection that I let them know that the damages besides the overspray will also be repaired in my cleaning process. The first thing that I always do is tell the customer to Google "paint overspray companies" then hit videos. They always ask me which videos are yours, I then tell them about 90% of them. This is not bragging as much as it is building up confidence with them. When the customer see how well you are embedded on the internet, it always helps. This brings up another subject of your work. Anyone can talk about how great they are but when you can show them, it is much more convincing. I have one more thing that I like to bring to the table when landing a project, estimates. The featured video on my website is a vehicle that I repaired in a Ford dealership. In this video I show the audience the estimate that the body shop had to repaint the truck and it was over $4800 dollars. I make all my own videos, so I can control the footage. This year alone I have saved over $525,000 dollars in estimates for repainting vehicles, replacing auto trim pieces and more. I shot everyone of these estimates down as I say in my videos and to the customers. I like to call this my ammunition for the next job. My company motto is that "your only as good as the last job you did"
 
Jeff Suggs said:
My name is Jeff Suggs and I am in the overspray removal business. I specialize in the removal of Protective & Marine Coatings and Polyurethane spray foam in the form of overspray damage to vehicles. The overspray business is a very specialize field, but anyone can learn the craft. I don't know why some of the members seem to have very negative opinions about the overspray business. There is a lot of money to be made in this kind of work verses just doing detailing alone. I travel all over the world repairing vehicles from all sorts of overspray damage. I average 4 to 5 vehicles per day in a 12 hour period. I always do a pre-existing video report in front of the customer for their protection and mine. I also make sure that when I am doing the inspection that I let them know that the damages besides the overspray will also be repaired in my cleaning process. The first thing that I always do is tell the customer to Google "paint overspray companies" then hit videos. They always ask me which videos are yours, I then tell them about 90% of them. This is not bragging as much as it is building up confidence with them. When the customer see how well you are embedded on the internet, it always helps. This brings up another subject of your work. Anyone can talk about how great they are but when you can show them, it is much more convincing. I have one more thing that I like to bring to the table when landing a project, estimates. The featured video on my website is a vehicle that I repaired in a Ford dealership. In this video I show the audience the estimate that the body shop had to repaint the truck and it was over $4800 dollars. I make all my own videos, so I can control the footage. This year alone I have saved over $525,000 dollars in estimates for repainting vehicles, replacing auto trim pieces and more. I shot everyone of these estimates down as I say in my videos and to the customers. I like to call this my ammunition for the next job. My company motto is that "your only as good as the last job you did"
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I've watched your videos. Do your customers appreciate you swearing in your videos? I found it super professional!
 
Jeff Suggs said:
My company motto is that "your only as good as the last job you did"
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Oh and just FYI:



learn the rule: your / you're



your is a possessive adjective, indicating ownership of something

That is your sock.

Where is your potato?

you're is a contraction (combination) of you and are

Do you know what you're doing?

You're stupid.

The two are not interchangeable.

Getting it wrong makes you look stupid. And ugly.
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Jeff Suggs said:
The overspray business is a very specialize field, but anyone can learn the craft.
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Are you sure about that, Jeff? I mean after all you did say:



Jeff Suggs said:
I will say it again I am the only person on the planet that is able to restore auto trim pieces from overspray damage,
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Shiny Lil Detlr said:
Are you sure about that, Jeff? I mean after all you did say:
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Charlie, if I had been drinking anything when I read that, I'd be sending you a bill for a new laptop! :rofl:
 
On a side note away from the post from the Paintxpert #2, what do people normally charge for just over spray removal? I ask this, because rarely I will get contacted to do just over spray removal. I did it for a buddy of mine, for at his work, they had some painters come through and do some outside painting. Well 3 of the vehicles got coated in over spray. A black FX, silver Jeep and a maroon Durango. Two of the vehicles, the over spray came off rather easy, with just a wash, medium clay and then 205. I am pretty sure I did not charge the correct price, as again it was for a "friend." Now the FX, I did twice because it was white over spray and he parked it in the sun for two weeks. So it was rather baked on. After doing the whole vehicle with Meguiars Aggressive Clay, getting upwards of 98% of it off. Then followed up with 205. When my buddy who owned the FX saw it, he was pointing out tiny tiny little white looking dots, that were hard to tell were either chips, dust or a tiny bit of over spray left. I did a dam good job, as the vehicle looked like **** before the over spray and during the over spray and the owner does not take care of it. I did it for $200 with driving a total of 75 miles, 8 hours(with the vehicle, no driving) into the FX, getting 98% of the over spray off and 80% of the lighter scratches and swirls on a vehicle that gets driven through a auto wash sometimes. How far off was I on the price? I know my price was to help a friend out, but in retrospect how far off was I in general on price?
 
Mike I think a majority of people would charge hourly on this, because its so highly variable. I would, unless another service was scheduled in to buffer the hourly rate(figure 30min to 1 hour claying in a regular unprepped prep.)





An option for next time would be your hourly rate after you forecast charge for a wash and seal or a wash and 1 step of polishing(or bill a few hours for the "work" of polishing). Sounds like you spent quite a bit of just to get there and get it done right.
 
Swearing in a video has nothing to do with the work done in them. I just finished a project in Cheyenne Wyoming at a dealership called Cowboy Dodge. This was a 150 car group that were damaged with Protective & Marine Coating overspray. They of course tried to repair the vehicles in house. Then they tried several detail shops & overspray companies and that didn't work out. They then called International Paint, the makers of Protective and Marine Coatings products to find out what this product is made of. The head of decorative coatings Tex Gunning got in touch with me. The reason this guy is aware of me is because I am the only detail dude or overspray specialist in the world that specializes in the removal of these products. He knows this because I am also the only person that has videos on their website. The videos in the end are the best way to demonstrate your work, and this proves it. If anyone would like to check out my story out call Cowboy Dodge and ask about that fellow that repaired their vehicle from Texas. You can then check out my website and go to the bog section, and hit my Gravatar linked there. The Gravatar is part of my WordPress blog site and I have lots of websites from all over the world linked there. My videos are featured on International Paint's website and Akzonobel, the two largest suppliers of Protective & Marine Coating products. International Industrial Overspray Removal Specialist, Pasadena - Gravatar Profile
 
Just out of curiosity, how many guys does it take to do 150 cars? You are doing all these with some help, right?
 
MachNU said:
On a side note away from the post from the Paintxpert #2, what do people normally charge for just over spray removal? I ask this, because rarely I will get contacted to do just over spray removal. I did it for a buddy of mine, for at his work, they had some painters come through and do some outside painting. Well 3 of the vehicles got coated in over spray. A black FX, silver Jeep and a maroon Durango. Two of the vehicles, the over spray came off rather easy, with just a wash, medium clay and then 205. I am pretty sure I did not charge the correct price, as again it was for a "friend." Now the FX, I did twice because it was white over spray and he parked it in the sun for two weeks. So it was rather baked on. After doing the whole vehicle with Meguiars Aggressive Clay, getting upwards of 98% of it off. Then followed up with 205. When my buddy who owned the FX saw it, he was pointing out tiny tiny little white looking dots, that were hard to tell were either chips, dust or a tiny bit of over spray left. I did a dam good job, as the vehicle looked like **** before the over spray and during the over spray and the owner does not take care of it. I did it for $200 with driving a total of 75 miles, 8 hours(with the vehicle, no driving) into the FX, getting 98% of the over spray off and 80% of the lighter scratches and swirls on a vehicle that gets driven through a auto wash sometimes. How far off was I on the price? I know my price was to help a friend out, but in retrospect how far off was I in general on price?
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$60 per hour + materials minimum. Won't even consider a job for less
 
There is a company called "Overspray Removal Specialists" that has been around a long time. Ran into one of their techs several years ago when a Walmart Super Center had some construction done and they got overspray on several of their employees cars. I guess they left it up to the employees to find someone to do the work, pay to have it done, then get reimbursed. The person who called me had first called a body shop that wanted $450 to remove the overspray and another $100 a day for each day it took to bring it by to have it removed. Obviously, since it was coming out of his pocket first, he thought that was outrageous. Ended up calling me, I went out and spent maybe 2.5 hours total on the truck and charged him $150, just wash, clay and wax. Another guy was working on a red car while I was there, went over and talked to him. Said he was with Overspray Removal Specialists and they used a combination of plastic razor blades (only in extreme cases) and clay and mentioned a rubber eraser they just came out with that took overspray off the plastic too. Told me they had a flat rate of $250 per vehicle, sometimes they'd do well because they'd be done in an hour or two, other times it took all day but in the end, balanced out. From what I could see, it looked like he was doing a pretty good job. He said they only do overspray removal and do work with insurance, something I don't do because it can take months to get paid.



Anyway, if you chose to specialize in overspray removal, be prepared to have people want to pay you through insurance and deal with contractors, who I know through personal experience, aren't always in a huge hurry to pay you.
 
ShineShop said:
$60 per hour + materials minimum. Won't even consider a job for less
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I'm at $50 an hour for overspray removal only, plus the normal charge for washing, 1 polishing step and waxing. Usually ends up with light overspray around $165-200 for cars, $200-275 for larger vehicles. Heavy overspray removal can be a lot more.
 
Years ago when I was just starting out, I would detail used/abused cars for a buddy that ran a bodyshop & used car lot. The cars taught me a lot and he got me using a rotary - helped quite a bit. So, one day he asks me to detail his 3/4 ton white Suburban that pulls the trailer for on the lot quick fixes (he did car dealers too) I was dumb and didn't realize that the white elephant I was about to do was covered with years of overspray. Doom on JB! I went through about 4 wool pads and a lot of Optimum compound (forgot which one) then PC and more Optimum polish, looked good and I didn't F...nothing up, but it was a painful experience to be sure.



Fast forward a few years and I was doing a car, white Lexus, ran into overspray on passenger's door and fender, clay'd the crap right off. Even though it was easier, it's not a job I would like on a regular basis.
 
Jeff Suggs said:
Swearing in a video has nothing to do with the work done in them. I just finished a project in Cheyenne Wyoming at a dealership called Cowboy Dodge. This was a 150 car group that were damaged with Protective & Marine Coating overspray. They of course tried to repair the vehicles in house. Then they tried several detail shops & overspray companies and that didn't work out. They then called International Paint, the makers of Protective and Marine Coatings products to find out what this product is made of. The head of decorative coatings Tex Gunning got in touch with me. The reason this guy is aware of me is because I am the only detail dude or overspray specialist in the world that specializes in the removal of these products. He knows this because I am also the only person that has videos on their website. The videos in the end are the best way to demonstrate your work, and this proves it. If anyone would like to check out my story out call Cowboy Dodge and ask about that fellow that repaired their vehicle from Texas. You can then check out my website and go to the bog section, and hit my Gravatar linked there. The Gravatar is part of my WordPress blog site and I have lots of websites from all over the world linked there. My videos are featured on International Paint's website and Akzonobel, the two largest suppliers of Protective & Marine Coating products. International Industrial Overspray Removal Specialist, Pasadena - Gravatar Profile
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Well Houston TX is blessed is it not?, Andy now this guy with "Abilities no one else has" he must be thinking of the ability to purchase and USE a orbital buffer I personally have not seen since one was in use by a guy at a carwash I went into in the 90's...............



"Internationally known" funny I had not heard of this guy until now(Although I am sure he has never heard of me either lol) would love to see some proper lighting on these vehicles to see 100% correction on overspray damage no matter how severe.....................for a flat fee of course $250.00-$400.00 bucks......................just killing it.....................raking in the dough, I mean fly to Spain and remove overspray.......pencils out(Not).



Every once in a while a guy like this pops up, "Expert Village" fodder displayed.
 
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