ONR type wash without ONR

[15951]

Guys, just to be clear, I did this as a one-time lazy thing...I'm not trying to adopt a new way of life here. It seemed to work for me, but I went back over the areas I washed with the same mit after I washed it out to get rid of most of the suds. It worked as expected (fine), but I don't think it will replace my regular wash regimen any time soon.



This did make me wonder how anyone uses ONR to clean wheels, though. It must truly be a mess, and require more work with worse results than something like A2Z and a wheel brush. Plus, I like to rinse off the dirty areas of the driveway where the wheel cleaner did its job. I keep picturing four nasty stains on the driveway after trying to clean wheels with ONR.



I'll stick to the old fashioned hose and bucket method for now.

 

[Tony1]

I am saying it does since I have tried it just for fun a couple of times.

I have no such issue or I would stop doing it. I don't know how much soap you used maybe that had something to do with it.

 

[Tony1]

I tried it just because of this post and found that I will NOT be using regular soap as a rinseless. The properties are definably not comparable. The regular soap did leave a slight residue that attracted pollen like crazy. the regular wash does loosen dirt, but doesn't bead and run off like ONR. I say do whatever you want, but having tried both...I'm going to continue to use the products as they were intended. I'm pretty sure the well educated engineers of these products know a little more about proper usage than some guy that says: "Eh, looks the same to me!"

I fully expected some responses like yours and I couldn't care less. I did a little more than just try it and and go "Eh, looks the same to me".



As for these well educated engineers would they be the same guys that develop the sealants that are supposed to last several years long? Maybe they really do last that long since the guys are well educated engineers they know a little more about proper usage

 

[David Fermani]

Hi everyone,



70% chance of rain today and tomorrow in sunny South Florida. As a result, I chose not to wash the car today, but instead took a clean wash mitt and a bucket with fresh water, put a little Z-7 directly on the wet mitt, washed the front and side mirrors with Z-7, and went back over those areas with the rinsed (still a little soapy) mitt before drying. Call it the "Ghetto ONR Method" (GONeR?).



I wanted to get the bugs off - mission accomplished. In your experience, will doing something like this induce any more swirls than a normal water wash? The things missing here are the pre- and after- full rinses, but truthfully, the car was clean other than a few bugs.



Thanks for your input.

:soscared::shocked............I'm all for job security!



I have a bunch of ONR and some HD Free if you'd like to have a sample. It might be what you're looking for on these occasions.

 

[Scottwax]

No I haven't tired the new ONR. I have no doubt it's slick and does it's job. I bet you a I can do a rinseless car wash with plain ole Duragloss soap and than when finished spend 5 min with Aquawax and have a car as slick and glossy as your ONR washed car.

Bet I'd be done quicker.

The big selling point of rinseless washes is that you can wash without a hose. When people talk about rinseless washes they don't focus on how the paint looks just waxed. They are drawn to the ability to wash in situations they couldn't before. They think it's because they are using this special type of soap that is rinseless. The truth is they could have did this all along with regular soap.

Then why is the product called Optimum No Rinse Wash and Shine? Why do so many who have used it comment on how good it makes the paint look?

 

[Tony1]

This did make me wonder how anyone uses ONR to clean wheels, though. It must truly be a mess, and require more work with worse results than something like A2Z and a wheel brush. Plus, I like to rinse off the dirty areas of the driveway where the wheel cleaner did its job. I keep picturing four nasty stains on the driveway after trying to clean wheels with ONR.



I'll stick to the old fashioned hose and bucket method for now.

I can't remember the last time I needed to use a wheel cleaner. I wash the car minimum once a week. I keep the wheels properly sealed. All I need to do is wash them and they come clean. I do a rinseless wash, blow the water out of the lug nuts with compressed air and wipe the wheel dry. No need to clean the drive way since I don't need a wheel cleaner. I have never with any car I have owned needed to use wheel cleaners if I properly sealed the wheels and kept up on the washes.

 

[Tony1]

Then why is the product called Optimum No Rinse Wash and Shine? Why do so many who have used it comment on how good it makes the paint look?

Scott you can't tell me the main reason people use ONR is because it leaves a nice shine. They use it because it's a rinseless wash and all the benefits that go with that like no hose, wash any where, less water etc. If the shine or slickness was the big selling point why don't wash and wax soaps do better on here? They are supposed to leave something behind for shine and slickness to.



You don't use it because of the shine. You use it because your a mobile detailer and need a hoseless solution. You used QEW before ONR for the same reason. The fact ONR is slicker and leaves more shine is a bonus but lets be realistic the rinseless part is the main sell of ONR.

 

[Scottwax]

Scott you can't tell me the main reason people use ONR is because it leaves a nice shine. They use it because it's a rinseless wash and all the benefits that go with that like no hose, wash any where, less water etc.



You don't use it because of the shine. You use it because your a mobile detailer and need a hoseless solution. You used QEW before ONR for the same reason. The fact ONR is slicker and leaves more shine is a bonus but lets be realistic the rinseless part is the main sell of ONR.

The reason I switched from QEW to ONR was specifically because of the gloss and shine. Plus, I don't need to use QD anymore.

 

[Tony1]

The reason I switched from QEW to ONR was specifically because of the gloss and shine. Plus, I don't need to use QD anymore.

The gloss and shine is your reason for using ONR instead of QEW but whats your reason for using a rinseless wash in the first place? There is no way you use rinseless washes because you think they are more slick and glossy than regular washes. You and I both know it's the rinseless part that is the big sell and reason you and everybody else uses rinseless washes. ONR may get points for being the slickest and glossiest of the rinseless washes so you choose it over the other rinesless washes but it's not the reason you use it instead of doing a regular hose wash.

 

[Scottwax]

The gloss and shine is your reason for using ONR instead of QEW but whats your reason for using a rinseless wash in the first place? There is no way you use rinseless washes because you think they are more slick and glossy than regular washes. You and I both know it's the rinseless part that is the big sell and reason you and everybody else uses rinseless washes. ONR may get points for being the slickest and glossiest of the rinseless washes so you choose it over the other rinesless washes but it's not the reason you use it instead of doing a regular hose wash.

Actually, all the attributes of ONR is why I use it instead of a regular hose. Even if I had access at all times to a pressure washer and DI/RO water, I'd continue to use ONR because I hate using a hose to wash. The rinseless part is what got me using it, the added bonus of slickness and gloss kept me using it.



I don't know what ratio of car wash soap to water you use, but using 1 oz of ONR per wash means each gallon washes 128 cars for $38.

 

[Tony1]

Even if I had access at all times to a pressure washer and DI/RO water, I'd continue to use ONR because I hate using a hose to wash. The rinseless part is what got me using it, the added bonus of slickness and gloss kept me using it.

OK and that's why anybody would use rinseless washes instead of regular car washes. It's the hoseless part that's the main sell. All I'm saying is that I can and have used regular car soap to do a rinseless wash and get the hoseless benefits of ONR. The gloss and slickness I can't comment on since I have not used ONR but I can get all that with a quick spray wax. The hosless part is the main thing.



I have several gallons of QEW. I cleaned out a RV place when they were clearing out the stuff at season end a few years back. QEW was my introduction to hoseless washing about 8 years ago. It was a huge change from what I had been doing. Living in a cold winter area it was a nice change being able to wash in a garage out of the weather. One day doing my jambs and engine compartment I just decided to try regular soap instead of QEW. It just works. I expected a slimy residue from not rinsing but it didn't happen. No streaks no negatives. I tried using it on wheels next same results. I came home after a highway drive in the summer and had the bug massacre on the front end and used a regular wash hoseless and again no problems. I have a PPF on the front and that swirls easy and still no issue. That's just the way it is. I see the results every time I do the car.

 

[dervdave]

Thanks for the input. By the way, do you really pronounce Jaguar "jag-you-are" like the British guy does on the commercials here in the U.S.?

Of course I say Jag-u-ar properly how you fellas can twist it round to Jag-war is beyond me ! :lol:brit

 

[black03mach]

Anthony can you post the ratio at which you mix the dg soap and the steps you do when you wash the car? I'm thinking about trying it later this week

 

[Tuck91]

Scottwax,



How come you hate washing with a hose?



Just curious.

 

[Tony1]

Anthony can you post the ratio at which you mix the dg soap and the steps you do when you wash the car? I'm thinking about trying it later this week

The ratio? Hmmm I just eye ball it. I don't actually measure it out. I use the same ratio of soap to water as I would a regular wash.



My procedure is basically the same as QEW or ONR. I use the two bucket method. I do a section at a time. I use a sheep skin mitt. I wet the mitt than gently go over the area I'm working on. I flip the mitt and go over it again with the other side. I than use a large terry weave MF to dry. I don't like WW MF for this. I use the gold Vikings or similar towel for this. I rinse my mitt in the rinse bucket and repeat on another area.



I still mainly use QEW for washing the body of the car since I have so much of it but I use regular soap in place of QEW for wheels, wells, jambs, and engine compartment all the time now.

 

[15951]

:soscared::shocked............I'm all for job security!



I have a bunch of ONR and some HD Free if you'd like to have a sample. It might be what you're looking for on these occasions.

Hi David. I appreciate the offer, but this was truly a one-time thing. I might get a bottle of ONR for that (very) occasional need, but usually I like to wash with a hose.



Car still looks great, btw, and I let the guy at the corvette store know that you sent me.



Thanks!

 

[Scottwax]

Scottwax,



How come you hate washing with a hose?



Just curious.

Way less efficient in most cases, more time consuming, water runs out of the trim, mirrors, etc, generally takes more towels to dry, soap tends to obscure the panels making it harder to make sure you wash every square inch of it, trying to dry a vehicles in cold weather can be a nightmare, in warm weather, trying to stay ahead of panels drying and water spotting sucks, too hard to wash cars in the full sun using a hose...need I go on?

 

[wannafbody]

Rinseless washes have their place but I wouldn't use a rinseless wash on a car with any real amount of abrasive dirt on it.

 

[Chris@Optimum]

I fully expected some responses like yours and I couldn't care less. I did a little more than just try it and and go "Eh, looks the same to me".



As for these well educated engineers would they be the same guys that develop the sealants that are supposed to last several years long? Maybe they really do last that long since the guys are well educated engineers they know a little more about proper usage

May be time for you to push away from the keyboard for a few if you got upset at what I said. Just because you don't care what you use doesn't mean you should tell others that it's ok to do. If you don't know the chemistry, you shouldn't make statements unless you are willing to assume liability in case your advice causes harm. Manufactures DO stand behind their products and DO formulate them for specific uses. I have read several of your posts that make you come off like a know-it-all, but I never see any evidence of your capabilities. I think your negative comments may just be trolling.



For the record Dr. David Ghodoussi of Optimum created a coating that has been on my daily driver for almost two years and it's still beading almost as well as day one. If you are the type that accepts constructive criticism, I offer this advice: talk less, listen more (that's why we have 2 ears and 1 mouth).

 

[Tuck91]

Way less efficient in most cases, more time consuming, water runs out of the trim, mirrors, etc, generally takes more towels to dry, soap tends to obscure the panels making it harder to make sure you wash every square inch of it, trying to dry a vehicles in cold weather can be a nightmare, in warm weather, trying to stay ahead of panels drying and water spotting sucks, too hard to wash cars in the full sun using a hose...need I go on?

Yes, those are some very good points.