ONR type wash without ONR

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70% chance of rain today and tomorrow in sunny South Florida. As a result, I chose not to wash the car today, but instead took a clean wash mitt and a bucket with fresh water, put a little Z-7 directly on the wet mitt, washed the front and side mirrors with Z-7, and went back over those areas with the rinsed (still a little soapy) mitt before drying. Call it the "Ghetto ONR Method" (GONeR?).



I wanted to get the bugs off - mission accomplished. In your experience, will doing something like this induce any more swirls than a normal water wash? The things missing here are the pre- and after- full rinses, but truthfully, the car was clean other than a few bugs.



Thanks for your input.
 
Thanks Dave,



I figured as much, but the car was only dusty other than a few bugs, and I only did the front bumper and the side mirrors.



Thanks for the input. By the way, do you really pronounce Jaguar "jag-you-are" like the British guy does on the commercials here in the U.S.? :)
 
Ha Ha I have been using regular car wash soap in a rinseless way for years. I still have several gallons of QEW so I will use it up but on wheels, door jambs, trunk jambs, wells, and engine compartment I use my Duragloss soap in a rinsless way. No swirls no ill effects at all. Cleans as well as QEW and no streaky slimy mess. I even tried it out on the hood several times just to see what would happen and again no problem what so ever. I'm surprised others haven't tried this. You have nothing to lose. Even if your fear is that you might get some marring it will be very minor and simple to correct. I am beginning to think the rinseless washes are a scam. Regular soap works very well. I'm glad I experimented with it.
 
Anthony A said:
Ha Ha I have been using regular car wash soap in a rinseless way for years. I still have several gallons of QEW so I will use it up but on wheels, door jambs, trunk jambs, wells, and engine compartment I use my Duragloss soap in a rinsless way. No swirls no ill effects at all. Cleans as well as QEW and no streaky slimy mess. I even tried it out on the hood several times just to see what would happen and again no problem what so ever. I'm surprised others haven't tried this. You have nothing to lose. Even if your fear is that you might get some marring it will be very minor and simple to correct. I am beginning to think the rinseless washes are a scam. Regular soap works very well. I'm glad I experimented with it.
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Why would you call it a scam? If ONR and QEW works as a rinseless wash why is it a scam?
 
I have used Z8 like ONR as well was Z6&7. I also added Z8,6&7 to ONR. I had no problems ( except Z7 a tad soapy ) I also tried QS like ONR.

My suggestion just use ONR.
 
dogma said:
I have used Z8 like ONR as well was Z6&7. I also added Z8,6&7 to ONR. I had no problems ( except Z7 a tad soapy ) I also tried QS like ONR.

My suggestion just use ONR.
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You used Z8 (sealant) like ONR?
 
Legacy99 said:
Why would you call it a scam? If ONR and QEW works as a rinseless wash why is it a scam?
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Yes they work but so does regular soap. They are not scams in the sense they don't work but they are in the sense that they are really not different from a regular soap.



I don't buy the encapsulating dirt none sense either. It's a laughable claim. I can see no difference between the regular soap and the rinseless soap. Unless you have tried both in a rinseless wash you can't comment. I have many times and I can assure you if there was any negative results I would never do it again but there hasn't been. In fact I would say the regular soap is actually slicker when washing. The mitt seems to glide over the paint much nicer than with QEW.



When I first tried using regular soap as a rinseless wash I wasn't really concerned about marring as much as I was about residue. As I said I don't buy the encapsulating dirt none sense. My concern was that there would be a slimy residue left over since regular soap is used with a rinse. To my surprise that was not a problem.



We could discuss this all day but it's really pointless. It's something that you can try for your self with no risk. Having said that I have no doubt that there will be many product collectors out there that will say they tried it and it was a disaster. Any excuse to buy more product.
 
Anthony A said:
Yes they work but so does regular soap. They are not scams in the sense they don't work but they are in the sense that they are really not different from a regular soap.



I don't buy the encapsulating dirt none sense either. It's a laughable claim. I can see no difference between the regular soap and the rinseless soap. Unless you have tried both in a rinseless wash you can't comment. I have many times and I can assure you if there was any negative results I would never do it again but there hasn't been. In fact I would say the regular soap is actually slicker when washing. The mitt seems to glide over the paint much nicer than with QEW.



When I first tried using regular soap as a rinseless wash I wasn't really concerned about marring as much as I was about residue. As I said I don't buy the encapsulating dirt none sense. My concern was that there would be a slimy residue left over since regular soap is used with a rinse. To my surprise that was not a problem.



We could discuss this all day but it's really pointless. It's something that you can try for your self with no risk. Having said that I have no doubt that there will be many product collectors out there that will say they tried it and it was a disaster. Any excuse to buy more product.
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Regular soap tends to leave a film. :confused::confused::confused:
 
Anthony A said:
Yes they work but so does regular soap. They are not scams in the sense they don't work but they are in the sense that they are really not different from a regular soap.
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Chemically, yes they are.



I don't buy the encapsulating dirt none sense either. It's a laughable claim. I can see no difference between the regular soap and the rinseless soap. Unless you have tried both in a rinseless wash you can't comment. I have many times and I can assure you if there was any negative results I would never do it again but there hasn't been. In fact I would say the regular soap is actually slicker when washing. The mitt seems to glide over the paint much nicer than with QEW.
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Have you tried either the original or new version of ONR? They have significantly more slickness than QEW, especially the new version. Plus I have never seen a car wash soap that makes a car look as glossy or feel as slick as the new ONR. Not to mention that the polymers in it have had some of my customers cars beading like they are freshly waxed despite it being 2 years since they actually were waxed.



If using a regular soap like a rinseless wash works fine for you, go for it. But the chemical make-up and some of the effects (like gloss and slickness) aren't the same.
 
Anthony A said:
Yes they work but so does regular soap. They are not scams in the sense they don't work but they are in the sense that they are really not different from a regular soap.



I don't buy the encapsulating dirt none sense either. It's a laughable claim. I can see no difference between the regular soap and the rinseless soap. Unless you have tried both in a rinseless wash you can't comment. I have many times and I can assure you if there was any negative results I would never do it again but there hasn't been. In fact I would say the regular soap is actually slicker when washing. The mitt seems to glide over the paint much nicer than with QEW.



When I first tried using regular soap as a rinseless wash I wasn't really concerned about marring as much as I was about residue. As I said I don't buy the encapsulating dirt none sense. My concern was that there would be a slimy residue left over since regular soap is used with a rinse. To my surprise that was not a problem.



We could discuss this all day but it's really pointless. It's something that you can try for your self with no risk. Having said that I have no doubt that there will be many product collectors out there that will say they tried it and it was a disaster. Any excuse to buy more product.
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Just surprised that you called ONR a scam Anthony as I thought you were an Optimum fan.
 
Legacy99 said:
Just surprised that you called ONR a scam Anthony as I thought you were an Optimum fan.
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Why would you think that? I have never said I liked a single Optimum product.
 
Scottwax said:
Have you tried either the original or new version of ONR? They have significantly more slickness than QEW, especially the new version. Plus I have never seen a car wash soap that makes a car look as glossy or feel as slick as the new ONR. Not to mention that the polymers in it have had some of my customers cars beading like they are freshly waxed despite it being 2 years since they actually were waxed.



If using a regular soap like a rinseless wash works fine for you, go for it. But the chemical make-up and some of the effects (like gloss and slickness) aren't the same.
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No I haven't tired the new ONR. I have no doubt it's slick and does it's job. I bet you a I can do a rinseless car wash with plain ole Duragloss soap and than when finished spend 5 min with Aquawax and have a car as slick and glossy as your ONR washed car.





As for gloss and slickness of the paint after the wash it's not the issue. People use a rinseless wash because they can't or don't want to do a regular wash for various reasons. They don't use rinseless washes for the gloss and slickness of the paint after the wash. Five min with Aqua Wax will give you all the gloss and slickness you can handle not matter what you washed with. Or you could just use one of those wash and wax type products. I don't care how slick it feels AFTER I wash or how waxed it looks. I use wax/sealants for that. The main thing is being able to wash rinseless and not do any harm or have negative results



The big selling point of rinseless washes is that you can wash without a hose. When people talk about rinseless washes they don't focus on how the paint looks just waxed. They are drawn to the ability to wash in situations they couldn't before. They think it's because they are using this special type of soap that is rinseless. The truth is they could have did this all along with regular soap.
 
I tried it just because of this post and found that I will NOT be using regular soap as a rinseless. The properties are definably not comparable. The regular soap did leave a slight residue that attracted pollen like crazy. the regular wash does loosen dirt, but doesn't bead and run off like ONR. I say do whatever you want, but having tried both...I'm going to continue to use the products as they were intended. I'm pretty sure the well educated engineers of these products know a little more about proper usage than some guy that says: "Eh, looks the same to me!"
 
This is along the lines of using a butter knife instead of a screwdriver. Why bother with any car soap, that stuff is a scam too, just use Tide.
 
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