Oh, Come ON!!!, Give me a BREAK!!!!

Quick update. I washed the car last night and brought it in under halogen's. The whole car had very minor swirls.....very, very minor. It's almost like all the dust amplified the appearance of the swirls.



So, then I QD'd with Last Touch before doing a quick pass with PoliSeal....and what do you know....the swirls looked less......so....does Last Touch have fillers? Surely not.



Anyway, one section (driver's side rear quarter) was worse than the rest for some reason. Quick Poli-Seal Pass cleared it up and only took me about 1.5 hours for that + M21 and an AW wipedown. (on the whole car).



Anyway, I think my wash media might be part to blame. My washskin mitt was showing a little leather and that seam may have been part of the culprit.....I'll never know for sure.



Like I said before, I'll be blow drying the car dry from now on.....small sections when washing, and QD'ing under halogen's for awhile. If they come back, hopefully I can see where they are being induced.
 
CleanGSR- Glad the marring was so easily corrected. I'll be interested to hear what, if anything, you end up determining about the ultimate cause of the problem.



The marring I got from (some., not all) ONR washes was also very, very slight. Most people could never see it...invisible in sunlight, almost impossible to see under halogens. Not so invisible under the incandescents though, but who spends minutes on end looking for such minor issues :nixweiss
 
wannafbody said:
The clear on the plastic panels seems to marr fairly easily-especially the rear valance shelf.
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yeah its so bad on my fenders now i think about it the doors are barely marred in comparison to the fenders..and its the same where the Ttops should be(non ttop car.) Its original paint all over except the front bumper. The hood and doors have a harder clear by the looks of it (regarding marring softness) along with the rear quarters but they marr up pretty easy too. Its a DD so im not too worried about it.
 
CleanGSR said:
Quick update. I washed the car last night and brought it in under halogen's. The whole car had very minor swirls.....very, very minor. It's almost like all the dust amplified the appearance of the swirls.



So, then I QD'd with Last Touch before doing a quick pass with PoliSeal....and what do you know....the swirls looked less......so....does Last Touch have fillers? Surely not.



Anyway, one section (driver's side rear quarter) was worse than the rest for some reason. Quick Poli-Seal Pass cleared it up and only took me about 1.5 hours for that + M21 and an AW wipedown. (on the whole car).



Anyway, I think my wash media might be part to blame. My washskin mitt was showing a little leather and that seam may have been part of the culprit.....I'll never know for sure.



Like I said before, I'll be blow drying the car dry from now on.....small sections when washing, and QD'ing under halogen's for awhile. If they come back, hopefully I can see where they are being induced.
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One tip, if you dont do it already, is to wash in vertical strokes, and dry or QD horizontally, that way you can better determine the source of the marring.



After months of ONRing, I too have some light marring from ONR, however its localized and may be from the drying.
 
Accumulator said:
CleanGSR- Glad the marring was so easily corrected. I'll be interested to hear what, if anything, you end up determining about the ultimate cause of the problem.



The marring I got from (some., not all) ONR washes was also very, very slight. Most people could never see it...invisible in sunlight, almost impossible to see under halogens. Not so invisible under the incandescents though, but who spends minutes on end looking for such minor issues :nixweiss
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Thanks. Oddly, these were opposite of yours. Visible in direct sunlight but barely visible/almost not under the halogens and incandescent.



I'll update when/if (like there's really an "if") they come back and how I believe they got there.
 
NSXTASY said:
One tip, if you dont do it already, is to wash in vertical strokes, and dry or QD horizontally, that way you can better determine the source of the marring.



After months of ONRing, I too have some light marring from ONR, however its localized and may be from the drying.
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Great idea. Now if I can just break my normal habit and remember to do that.
 
UPDATE:



Well, some time has passed so I thought I'd give an update on this. It looks like it's been about 2 months (based on the last post in this thread) which is longer than I thought it was.



I've been washing my car about once a week w/ NXT Car wash and a Sheepskin mitt....2 bucket method and drying with a the Meguiars Waffle Weave MF towel (Water Magnet I think it's called). Sometimes I do a blow dry with the leaf blower, sometimes not.



After every wash the car gets a wipedown with either Aquawax or Megs Last Touch (rotating about every other wash).



I tried washing vertically and drying horizontally but it just didn't work for me. I was unable to get the hang of vertical wipes with the wash mitt. So....using the same method of horizontal strokes with washing and drying both.



As of now.....basically no swirls. There are a couple of spots where there are the most minor swirls (door pillars for example) but they are barely even visible in direct sun. So....2 months and basically no new swirls is AMAZING for me with this soft black paint.



The main things I've changed are to always double check the wash mitt before each new "pass" to make sure there is nothing left in there. I am extra careful to take the same procedures with the WW towel and MF towel for QD'ing. I also double check the sheepskin mitt before each wash to make sure it is still 100% in tact and no seams showing.



Anyway, extra, extra care being taken (only adds maybe 5 minutes per wash) has saved me from polishing more often than most people wax.
 
I have Acura NBP as well, and if you even think about swirls...it will! A while back I did a small test section with ONR and a GS...marred the hell out of it. No ONR for me again(except for QD), and no GS other than to clean my wheels. Acura black paint is just way too soft and is easily damaged (yet easily corrected).



I have a plush mf mitt that I wash with. It gets completely sprayed off/out after each small section to clean any dirt. After washing I blow most of the water off, and go over it with a plush Eurow mf towel misted with ONR in QD mix to get out any streaks or spots.



Have fun with your NBP!
 
TSC17 said:
I have Acura NBP as well, and if you even think about swirls...it will! A while back I did a small test section with ONR and a GS...marred the hell out of it. No ONR for me again(except for QD), and no GS other than to clean my wheels. Acura black paint is just way too soft and is easily damaged (yet easily corrected).



I have a plush mf mitt that I wash with. It gets completely sprayed off/out after each small section to clean any dirt. After washing I blow most of the water off, and go over it with a plush Eurow mf towel misted with ONR in QD mix to get out any streaks or spots.



Have fun with your NBP!
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Mine's actually FBP (Flamenco Black Pearl), but sounds like the same deal as yours. I had the same experiences with the Grout Sponge and ONR (both). Oh well.....all good if you find a method that works well and stick to it.
 
IMO, the majority of swirls are caused during the drying process, or as a result of QD'ing.



My conventional touched based wash (which has yet to cause any marring on any of the cars I've used it on):



High pressure rinse

Layer of foam with foam cannon

Boars hair brush the entire vehicle, top to bottom, frequently rinsing out the brush

High pressure rinse

spot free rinse with DI water

blow dry with leaf blower.



I would be a bit concerned about using a leaf blower, then doing a QD'ing afterwards. Leaf blowers could very well contamiinate your paint with debris, which will then get trapped in your MF during your QD.



A variation of the above would be to replace the drying process with an ONR washing/drying. I do this before applying another layer of wax, or if the car was dirty enough that the BHB wasn't able to remove it all. BHB's are sooooo gentle that they are often not aggressive enough to get your paint totally clean.



Remember that all swirling and most scratches are caused by you touching the paint with something. Or, as I was recently reminded, touching your paint with something incorrectly. Semantics aside, any time you touch your paint with anything, you are increasing the potential of marring it. So don't touch your paint unless you absolutely have to.
 
I have the same paint as you CleanGSR and it's ridiculous how easy it is to mar. Even when it is clean, if someone drags their finger across it with pressure it micro mars. It's got me opening/closing the doors/trunk/hood in rather peculiar ways. I don't know why Honda makes their paint this soft, I'd rather have it a little harder personally.



I haven't tried ONR washing my Honda yet, but I have done 2 bucket with Poorboys wash with sheepskins and blot dry with ww mf and it seems to be alright. I did do ONR on my Grand Am with the same process and it didn't seem to cause any marring. I use Accumulators jiggling tip, light pressure, etc. but I think the blot drying makes a big difference as well.
 
SuperBee364 said:
IMO, the majority of swirls are caused during the drying process, or as a result of QD'ing.



My conventional touched based wash (which has yet to cause any marring on any of the cars I've used it on):



High pressure rinse

Layer of foam with foam cannon

Boars hair brush the entire vehicle, top to bottom, frequently rinsing out the brush

High pressure rinse

spot free rinse with DI water

blow dry with leaf blower.



I would be a bit concerned about using a leaf blower, then doing a QD'ing afterwards. Leaf blowers could very well contamiinate your paint with debris, which will then get trapped in your MF during your QD.



A variation of the above would be to replace the drying process with an ONR washing/drying. I do this before applying another layer of wax, or if the car was dirty enough that the BHB wasn't able to remove it all. BHB's are sooooo gentle that they are often not aggressive enough to get your paint totally clean.



Remember that all swirling and most scratches are caused by you touching the paint with something. Or, as I was recently reminded, touching your paint with something incorrectly. Semantics aside, any time you touch your paint with anything, you are increasing the potential of marring it. So don't touch your paint unless you absolutely have to.
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I guess to each his own, but I've done all processes under halogens and ONR gave me swirls. Leave Blower dry + QD after did not leave swirls. I fail to see how a leaf blower could contaminate my paint. I always sweep out the garage before doing a wash when I plan to "leaf blow" the car so that there is little to no dirt on the car. Under halogens after the leaf blower, there is no dirt/dust on the paint, just some mineral deposits from the hard water that need to be QD'd off.
 
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