Oh, Come ON!!!, Give me a BREAK!!!!

I really think it is your waffle weave; I always use a Viking deep nap drying towel for ONR and had never had any issues. One day I decided to try a waffle weave and my paint was swirled to hell. This is on my 1998 Honda Civic. Actually, while the OEM paint left on it is soft, the repainted panels are wayy softer and are usually what I have problems with if anything at all. I would definately use a deep nap microfiber towel for ONR.
 
Like I said...I've tested my waffle weaves on a freshly polished surface with no lubrication...under halogens and they didn't micromarr the surface.



That said, I'm not convinced that they aren't potentially the problem. I'll drying and Qding under halogen's EVERY TIME after polishing again to confirm that they're gone.
 
I have the same problem with my Honda Accord.Every time i wash it,with much much care and extremely carefully,i got some swirls too.All Honda paints are very soft that's why swirls appears so easily.they suggest me to use a sealant with fillers just not to remove every week some clearcoat to remove swirls.i am thinking for repaint it by a harder paint or at least harder clearcoat.i am also think about trying the self healing clear coat.That clear coat has the ability to close up scratches, swirls,and need no polishing at least for 3 years.But the problem is that it will cost about $4000 and i have no idea what is gonna happen after 3 years.
 
CleanGSR- Sorry to hear the paint got marred. I for one believe that yes, you are capable of correctly discerning what happened. Could be that ONR simply isn't the right approach for you; it's not the right approach for me on most occasions either.



That doesn't mean it's not perfect for somebody else and I'm glad it works so well for so many people.



One thing I will contribute: when washing, if you move your wash medium in short, interrupted, "jiggling" motions, any marring that you do get will be more likely to consist of short little scratches, which probably won't show as badly as longer ones. There's also a greater chance that dirt will become dislodged/flushed away during one of the interruptions (this is a lot more likely to happen if you're blasting foamgun output between the mitt/brush/sponge/whatever and the paint).
 
I remember stating a while back that No Rinse washes can marr paint and was told that I was dead wrong. Well, I think No Rinse washes can work for some people and some paints. I think the issue is twofold. Soft paint and the type of "dirt" you are washing off. Dust and actual dirt are fine but if you have gritty dirt such as gravel dust or sand dust then IMO the chance for marring significantly increases.
 
My dad's Ferrari has EXTREMELY soft clear coat. I wash it with ONR and never get any sorts of marring. It does mar if spray detailed, though.
 
pampos said:
I have the same problem with my Honda Accord.Every time i wash it,with much much care and extremely carefully,i got some swirls too.All Honda paints are very soft that's why swirls appears so easily.they suggest me to use a sealant with fillers just not to remove every week some clearcoat to remove swirls.i am thinking for repaint it by a harder paint or at least harder clearcoat.i am also think about trying the self healing clear coat.That clear coat has the ability to close up scratches, swirls,and need no polishing at least for 3 years.But the problem is that it will cost about $4000 and i have no idea what is gonna happen after 3 years.
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I've thought of this. I'm wondering if it would be possible to have the current paint/clear sanded and cleared over the existing stuff or if you would need a complete repaint.







Accumulator said:
CleanGSR- Sorry to hear the paint got marred. I for one believe that yes, you are capable of correctly discerning what happened. Could be that ONR simply isn't the right approach for you; it's not the right approach for me on most occasions either.



That doesn't mean it's not perfect for somebody else and I'm glad it works so well for so many people.



One thing I will contribute: when washing, if you move your wash medium in short, interrupted, "jiggling" motions, any marring that you do get will be more likely to consist of short little scratches, which probably won't show as badly as longer ones. There's also a greater chance that dirt will become dislodged/flushed away during one of the interruptions (this is a lot more likely to happen if you're blasting foamgun output between the mitt/brush/sponge/whatever and the paint).
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. It's nice that somebody in here finally trusts that I can see what is happening to the paint instead assuming I'm just filling them. I think I'm going to try your "giggle" method and also try only swiping about 1 foot at a time before rinsing and re-soaping the mitt. Then, leaf blow dry and blot dry the rest and QD under halogen's. I'm determined to pinpoint what part of my wash cycle is producing the marring.
 
OCKlasse said:
My dad's Ferrari has EXTREMELY soft clear coat. I wash it with ONR and never get any sorts of marring. It does mar if spray detailed, though.
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Well, seeing as it's a Ferrari, doesn't that mean that the hand of God is helping watch over the car? I don't have such a luxury with my Honder made product.:aww:
 
I think I'm going to try your "giggle" method and also try only swiping about 1 foot at a time before rinsing and re-soaping the mitt. - Quote CleanGSR



The "giggle" method? I don't think laughing while you dry is going to help with the marring:LOLOL



Just kidding
 
As my car painter told me it is only needed to remove only the clearcoat and not the paint.just sand the clear coat and apply a new fresh coat of that "magic" clearcoat.It is the same clearcoat that Nissan use on some models by special request (i think Nissan Xtrail )
 
I've got two Civics, and also experience some marring when using ONR. Now that I'm using a Danase Phat towel as the wash towel, I think it is less.



I really prefer a regular, lots of water and suds, wash. But with the drought, it is not an option.



One thing to watch--but I would think everyone on this board is aware of this--is that the nature of microfiber towels is to hold on to bits of leaves and such. While a cotton towel will usually really come clean in the wash, many microfibers will continue to hold scratchy bits.
 
CleanGSR said:
Well, seeing as it's a Ferrari, doesn't that mean that the hand of God is helping watch over the car? I don't have such a luxury with my Honder made product.:aww:
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Trust me, this car's clear is as soft as many Japanese clear. Grout sponge + taking your time = no negative results. On black cars anyway, I always use a brand new MF to make sure there is no chance of :scared:
 
ron231 said:
As for ONR, ONR with a GS is terrible IMO, but sheepskin+ONR is amazing for me.
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I agree, my favorite is a Eurow sheepskin mitt I got at Walmart to wash with ONR.



I then wipe down with Adam's microfiber cloths when I'm done; no streaks at all.
 
same issues on my camaro with the soft clear. I never manage to keep it swirl free for more than say 5 washes.......tried so many different wash mitts, shampoos just can't seem to stop it happening hope you have more luck
 
Remember gang - no hard friction when both washing and drying. I'm super careful to not bear down on either my wash media or my WW drying towel. Very very light pressure is all that's needed to remove the dirt and water.
 
ej8tunerman said:
/\ I'd like to know as well. Camaros definately have hard clear. In fact, GM vehicles in general have hard clear.
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The clear on the plastic panels seems to marr fairly easily-especially the rear valance shelf.
 
The fact is, ONR is not for everyone or every car. Undoubtedly, I think of ONR as a shortcut to washing. Is it better than a conventional wash?, IMO, a resounding NO. You can't beat the gentleness and lubricity of a conv. wash, not to mention the thoroughness.



Don't get it twisted, I lub my ONR. It saves time, a valuable resource.
 
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