NXT vs. Z2 vs. Klasse SG Cleaning Test (56K warning)

Wasted typing Newport ;)



If it gives anyone that likes NXT else a sense of consolation, this will die down and everyone will forget about NXT. It was extremely un-cool to like Poorboys EX (which I still enjoy very much) around here for a while too because it wasn't a "true synthetic" and it "cleaned" and it "didn't layer" Same is true of Blackfire, not sure of UPP. Now its just become another product in the arsenal. It'll happen with NXT too and its use won't be scorned, it'll be ignored.



A college english professor once told me that if I wanted to almost always garuntee my satisfaction, persue things people don't like (movies, books, music....WAXES! :D ) and he was right.
 
Yea your right...

I think I will give up the detailing threads/ boards and move on to something else, it was fun for a while...snowboarding... no...cooking...no...tennis....no...chemistry

( wait could do that with mixing up Zaino)...no... Damn, I think I will have to hang aroung and see how this turns out.
 
No reason to give up on detailing boards, just like with anything else people always have opposing viewpoints.



Also, nothings going to be served by insisting that this or any other product is better than anything else (cutting down Zaino etc)
 
I know that this is a month old thread, but I’ve been away (heavy meds, padded walls, wrap-around sleeves) for six months.



As some of you may know I’ve got a ‘75 ‘Vette (non-operational) with badly oxidized non-clearcoated orange paint that I occasionally use as a detailing test bed. Perfectly suited for this NXT thread!



Prepped the test area by scrubbing with a pretty strong Dawn/water solution using a terry washcloth. Then sanded an 8�x8� area with some very fine sandpaper - don’t know what number, maybe 800? - to get rid of the oxidization layer and leave a good hazing. Washed again with Dawn/water to clean up any paint dust. Rinsed with water and then wiped down with isopropyl alcohol. Rubbed dry surface with heavy pressure using a white terry towel to ensure that no orange was picked up. Used a black Sharpie Permanent Marker and put some test lines in the test area. Waited about 20 minutes for the marker to stabilize. Test area is now prepped and ready to go.



To test the marker’s ability to withstand a solvent I put some alcohol on a cotton ball and found that it took only a couple of wipes with very light pressure to start removing the marker. Repeated on another line using NXT and found that using the same pressure it took between two and three times and many strokes to remove the same amount of marker. Repeated with Z-1, Z-2, and Z-5 and found that even with heavy pressure they didn’t affect the marker. Aha, I’ve learned a little about the solvent content of these products.



To test NXT abrasiveness I positioned an obsession lamp so I could get the best view of the surface hazing that I caused with the sandpaper. Used NXT on a scrap of microfiber towel and using medium pressure rubbed half of the test area until the NXT hazed, then I buffed it off. After three cycles of this much of the surface hazing was gone. Since moving to SoCal I haven’t been able to find my high power loupes, but using a 4X glass the marring appeared to be smoothed, not filled. Since I didn’t do a comparison, and it’s been awhile since I’ve done any serious detailing this is just a WAG, but I’m guessing that NXT is similar to 3M SMR is abrasiveness.



To remove the NXT and Zaino I used a terry washcloth and alcohol with fair pressure and rubbed until I just started to pick up a little bit of orange - - so the NXT, Z, and marker are gone for sure, but the alcohol hasn’t done much to the paint surface. The surface (using the glass) appears only slightly more hazy than before the alcohol wipe, so most likely the NXT was doing very little filling of the marring - certainly not like IHG. I should have just used alcohol on half of the area to get a better comparison, but my brain wasn’t properly engaged (that’s what happens when you get to be an old fart).



Did a water wipe down and then more Sharpie lines. Applied a coat of Z-1 to the entire area. Then Z-2 on half and Z-5 on the other half. Let it sit for almost an hour then buffed it off. The area that was polished with the NXT looks pretty good. Tomorrow or the next day I’ll play with NXT and SMR on the cured Zaino.



{rant ON}

Most of you should be ashamed of yourselves - - Bret, Brad, Edwin, and several others - - you are knowledgeable enough to get your butts out to the garage instead of doing all the bickering and name calling!



As for the reliability of what industry representatives say about their products, Steve was very generous in what he said. A year or two ago I did some UV shielding research and corresponded with 303, Meguiar’s, Vinylex, and others. All, except 303, ran the gamut from evasiveness, to misleading, to outright lying about their products. They are not in business to make your car look better or to make your life easier, they are in business to make as much return on investment as possible!



Don’t believe what the manufacturers say! Don’t believe what people who post on the message boards say! Don’t believe what I say! If you want to know how a product performs for you, then beg, buy, borrow, or steal the product and get out to your garage and try it out. Engage your brain and devise methods of comparison. Read some of the old Roadfly posts where Steve tells how he did the Wax Test comparisons. Get ideas, not facts, from others!

{rant OFF}
 
After letting the Zaino cure for about 35 hours I started testing.



1) A light wipe with alcohol quickly went through the Zaino and dissolved the Sharpie line.



2) It took only moderate pressure and few strokes with NXT or SMR to start working on the Sharpie. Once through the Zaino the NXT had more effect on the Sharpie.



3) It took more pressure and more strokes with IHG to start working on the Sharpie line.



3)I tried several QD sprays and found that none of them went through the Zaino unless a lot of pressure was used for quite a long time.



Conclusions:

1) Isopropyl alcohol is effective at removing Zaino



2) NXT is about as aggressive (abrasive) as SMR and contains more solvents.



NXT is an adequate cleaner/polisher. As a wax it will not layer effectively. If you’ve already bought some, then I wouldn’t throw it away - - but you’ll have to use a good carnauba for a topper. If you haven’t yet bought NXT, then I wouldn’t do it - - Perfect-It III Machine Glaze followed by PI-III Finishing Glaze is much better for surface prep - - then follow with your favorite final polish (I prefer Platinum Ultimate Paint Pre-Cleaner) and protectant (P-UPP topped with Souverän or P21S paste). As always, YMMV!
 
This is one amazing thread! You guys really do your homework when it comes to testing out the latest detailing products.



Thanks for the education.



:)
 
Nick T. said:


2) NXT is about as aggressive (abrasive) as SMR and contains more solvents.
Um, :shocked to that one, for me at least. (Not that I'm disagreeing, and the "solvent/cleaning" component was well-reported by SRL early on...but abrasiveness like SMR, too? Like I said: shocker! I would not have expected that.)



It could explain why some people are reporting decent swirl/spiderwebbing reduction while I had absolutely none: I didn't "work" the product with any level of pressure nor for any period of time during application, which presumably would bring out this "SMR-like" aspect, I'd think. I used the PC just to get a FAST and EVEN and THIN application, not to work the paint.



Shouldn't a "last step product" generally be solvent- and abrasive-free? Would you conclude that the combined solvent/abrasion/sealing characteristics make this more of a "one step" product instead?



Curious to know if as a test-bed if it would be possible/valid/worthwhile to do "the CD scratch test" using NXT and a known non-scratching MF to see what happens to the surface?
 
AcMDX . . . . In my experience all of the "last step" paint prep products such as P21S GEPC, Klasse SG, and P-UPP Pre-Cleaner are very mildly abrasive and contain some solvents. This allows them to remove the very slight hazing and residue left by the more aggressive prep steps. They also contain oils or fillers to help hide any marring that they don’t remove.



I agree that NXT is better classified as a “one step� product - - and as such are better utilized by somebody that’s looking for a “quick fix� rather than a full ground up detailing. My choice for this application would be SG - - an excellent product if used properly.



As had been said many times before, the is no best product. It’s all dependent on what you want to accomplish and the methods/techniques that you use.



Many of you are dealing with daily drivers and don’t want to spend countless hours playing with your paint. Others clean their car before and after each and every drive (Edwin??). Different products and different methods/techniques are called for. Those of you that have been Autopians for more than 7-8 months probably recall that I was advocating “spit shinning� techniques for topping your multi-layered Zaino. Superb results - - fantastic reflectivity and depth - - but not for a person that has a life (or even a job and wife)! My advice to all is to experiment and find what works best for you on your paint taking into consideration your ultimate goals.
 
Nick T. said:
[Different products and different methods/techniques are called for. Those of you that have been Autopians for more than 7-8 months probably recall that I was advocating “spit shinning� techniques for topping your multi-layered Zaino. Superb results - - fantastic reflectivity and depth - -



Wanna reiterate onthis so I don't have to search??



TY
 
Nick, I guess I should change my sig to

Anal Retentive Z28 Owners Association. ;)



I have not driven the Z28 undetailed for over 6 years. Since the frequency in which I drive her ( ~750 miles last year) I do detail her after every use. This rarely includes a wash but it does include a dusting (ususlly next day after vehicle has cooled down) and rim and tire wipe-down. :D



Daily drivers never more than once a week.

Classics: never touch them. :wavey
 
Nick T. said:
- - but not for a person that has a life (or even a job and wife)!




Heh heh, that's one reason why I appreciate your input! As always, thanks for that research. IMO your black paint and your methodical approach makes for good testing.



blkZ28Conv- My XJS heard that about your driving your F-body 750 miles and thinks I need to do less detailing and more driving :D
 
Boy I wish I read this thread this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!



Have not been here for a while and I paid for it today.



It's now been about 1 1/2 years that I've had my Ferrari and have won 8 trophys to date.



Did NST today...major mistake. Agree with the comments that it is for the masses and not the autopia types.



After trying everything, I always seem to go back to what works the best for me...DACP, The Twins, P21S.



I don't care who comes out with what....from now on I'm just sticking with what I know works for me.



Of course, always interested in new technology, like M/F but thats it for new waxes / polish.



Would write more, but got to get the PC cranking to get this stuff off. There's a lesson to be learned here...
 
F 355 said:
.....Would write more, but got to get the PC cranking to get this stuff off. There's a lesson to be learned here...



So why do you feel the need to take NXT off?



Your taking a perfectly good protectant off for what reason?



My Porsche is looking pretty good with NXT on it at the moment and I won 8 trophies last year.
 
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