NXT vs. Z2 vs. Klasse SG Cleaning Test (56K warning)
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jerry@robs
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Based on SRL's test, NXT seems to be more like AIO than SG/Z right?
imported_NHBFAN
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Scottwax said:
Scottwax,
How can you tell?
I'm not trying to be a wise guy, I'm just trying to learn how you would know if NXT is removing some or all of the glaze (or AIO) under it.:nixweiss
imported_memnuts
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To the uninformed and the non-science based reader this could be taken as a test for layerability. SRL stated that this was not a test of such, but many unwittingly equate the two. As I stated this a excellent post but many holes and unscientific conclusions are being made from an unrealistic (in terms of detailing) situation.
All of these product lines in this post have cleaning ability at some stage of their usage. Be it in one step process as NXT, Z2 and Z1, Z2 and ZFX :nixweiss , SG and AIO. Where is the control? How about H2O? :doh Will that remove the maker? Very likely. Why was the marker untouched by the SG and Z2? Could it be that they are not able to dissolve the marker because of their lack of water content of any significant amount. :nixweiss
What is wrong with this test is the format. Excellent idea but not perform in a credible manner. The comparison of two products starting with their 2nd step and comparing it to a combination ( cleaning/ sealing) product (NXT) is unfair. Neither SG or Z2 are used alone or ever for cleaning. So what was the point here? To show NXT cleaning ability and lack of so with SG and Z2 or to imply via denial that NXT is not layerable. Never claimed. We alway talk about comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Would it not be more even-handed to compare Z1/Z2 and NXT, or AIO and NXT? When has a products ability to create a perfect environment for its establishment of protection become so evil?
Sorry, I just do not help but question things. Just part of my vocation. :wavey
All of these product lines in this post have cleaning ability at some stage of their usage. Be it in one step process as NXT, Z2 and Z1, Z2 and ZFX :nixweiss , SG and AIO. Where is the control? How about H2O? :doh Will that remove the maker? Very likely. Why was the marker untouched by the SG and Z2? Could it be that they are not able to dissolve the marker because of their lack of water content of any significant amount. :nixweiss
What is wrong with this test is the format. Excellent idea but not perform in a credible manner. The comparison of two products starting with their 2nd step and comparing it to a combination ( cleaning/ sealing) product (NXT) is unfair. Neither SG or Z2 are used alone or ever for cleaning. So what was the point here? To show NXT cleaning ability and lack of so with SG and Z2 or to imply via denial that NXT is not layerable. Never claimed. We alway talk about comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Would it not be more even-handed to compare Z1/Z2 and NXT, or AIO and NXT? When has a products ability to create a perfect environment for its establishment of protection become so evil?
Sorry, I just do not help but question things. Just part of my vocation. :wavey
imported_memnuts
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Scottwax said:
Thanks Scotts :bow
I just thought it would be an interesting tangent. I already have my own tested conclusion
imported_Greg1
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I simply think he was showing that the claim that NXT has no cleaners isn't necessarily true.
SergC
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theveed said:
Exactly:up AIO with better gloss.
Me and my friend tried it on the inner part of the hood of his nonclearcoated red 275 GTB 4, and the applicator turned red:down ...That was the end of my testing...Kick me now, but I call it a cleaner wax.
Great test SRL
:xyxthumbs
Regards,
Serg
imported_BretFraz
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blkZ28Conv said:
Wait a minute, Edwin. Stop posting like a nut and listen.
Brad posted a simple, repeatable test with pics that anyone here can conduct themselves. Its virtually impossible to play tricks with tests this simple as anyone with a shred of common sense can conduct the same exact test themselves.
I don't understand why you feel the need to assail Brad's credibility here. It's not like he is some newbie or a person who has demonstrated a lack of comprehension of how car care products work. He's one of the most informed people here at Autopia and you know it.
If you have a problem with the test, why don't you try the same one yourself and see what happens? Post some pics so we all can see the results too.
The combination of your incoherent ramblings (aka posts) and your over-active imagination are starting to rub people the wrong way. Stop being so self-aggrandizing and try being a little more circumspect in your thoughts and opinions. You're sounding like a crackpot.
Jeez, and here I thought *I* was the pompous know it all.
imported_NHBFAN
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SergC said:
Jesstzn
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Just out of curiosity why don't you use Z2 and SG over the rest of thier respective felt marker lines and leave them the proper time then buff off.. then leave them for 7 days to properly cure then try the NXT over both of them. To me if the NXT *then* lifts the felt marker lines it would tell us NXT is lifting the Z2 or SG. In other words it would say NXT could or shouldn't be topped over Z2 or SG.
Make sense?
BTW I like the test as done. Autopians appliances sure take a sh*t kicking .. much like my stove / SG heat durability test. ( Which by the way is going well )
Make sense?
BTW I like the test as done. Autopians appliances sure take a sh*t kicking .. much like my stove / SG heat durability test. ( Which by the way is going well )
imported_memnuts
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bretfraz said:Wait a minute, Edwin. Stop posting like a nut and listen.
Brad posted a simple, repeatable test with pics that anyone here can conduct themselves. Its virtually impossible to play tricks with tests this simple as anyone with a shred of common sense can conduct the same exact test themselves.
I don't understand why you feel the need to assail Brad's credibility here. It's not like he is some newbie or a person who has demonstrated a lack of comprehension of how car care products work. He's one of the most informed people here at Autopia and you know it.
If you have a problem with the test, why don't you try the same one yourself and see what happens? Post some pics so we all can see the results too.
The combination of your incoherent ramblings (aka posts) and your over-active imagination are starting to rub people the wrong way. Stop being so self-aggrandizing and try being a little more circumspect in your thoughts and opinions. You're sounding like a crackpot.
Jeez, and here I thought *I* was the pompous know it all.
Sorry Bret,
What you call pompous is just the expression of ideas and thoughts about said topic.
If you read as while as you parrot thoughts you would have known that this was not a knock on Brad but just some introspective thinking about the conclusions. As stated in almost all my post here that this was and is an excellent test but there are faults that must be address if the conclusions have any meaning. My post may be a little to profound for you (aka imagination) .. sorry but scientically based.
. This is how we learn and expand our knowledge about products we use. Not just accepting, no matter how respected the source. Brad excellent post :bow. Lets us know about the Z2 / NXT results.
Bret, if you are reading the :doh in the post that was figurative. Sometimes things just do not come across the keyboard very well.
Brad if you thought that was intended for you no way.
Bretfaz - there an ignore list if you do not like to read my contradictory idealogies and technical analysis.
:sosad
Corey Bit Spank
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Personally, I don't mind the cleaning ability. I don't apply more than 2 layers of anything, only because I think each layer after that doesn't do much in terms of protection of appearences (maybe with Zaino or SG it would be a different story). I think Zaino and SG are in a class of their own here. Great test though. 
Edit: There is no reason to fight over this. The test was conducted and he presented the results clear and easy for people to understand. NXT has cleaning ability. Draw your own conclusions from it, post them, but don't put people down for it. Don't finger point: that's not what Autopia is here for.
Edit: There is no reason to fight over this. The test was conducted and he presented the results clear and easy for people to understand. NXT has cleaning ability. Draw your own conclusions from it, post them, but don't put people down for it. Don't finger point: that's not what Autopia is here for.
blkZ28Conv said:
Very unlikely. Water is a much better lubricant than it is a solvent. Just to prove my point, I just went downstairs and tested it. The water didn't even begin to make a dent in that marker. Here are some pics.
I poured the water on
Moved it around with my finger for a good 30 seconds with medium pressure.
The Result, no marker on my finger and didn't even begin to dent that line. Suprise!
blkZ28Conv said:
I don't think so. Z2 and Klasse SG are WATER based. I would submit they didn't remove the marker because of thier lack of heavy solvents, not water.
blkZ28Conv said:
No it isn't. I'm comparing "last step products", and one that was reported to be on par with Klasse and Zaino.
blkZ28Conv said:
Z1 and AIO are not "last step products".
blkZ28Conv said:
Ahh, I gotcha now. So, the numerous threads hyping NXT as the greatest product ever with zero proof except for claims from the manufacturer are fine. Anything that goes against the new uber product is not credible. Gotcha.
Corey Bit Spank
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What's this "bonding" hub bub about? How does it "bond" with the paint? I'm confused.
imported_BretFraz
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blkZ28Conv said:
Corey Bit Spank
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My gosh will you two use PMs and not bicker in this thread about it? It's just going to get closed and no other members will be able to comment, and then nobody will read it altogether. Kind of selfish of you two.