My 2 cents...NXT hasn't shown to be very durable for me either. Smells good, hides swirls well, easy to apply, but doesn't last. I've got some #16 I'm going to try out. Hopefully this will be more durable than the NXT. Anyone have experience with both of these and have some thoughts on how they compare? And...how do you search for #16? tried to do a search on this, but #16 is not within the parameters for word length on a search.
NXT is Meguiar's most durable??!!`
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LightngSVT
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NXT is a decent LSP, I have nothing bad (nor great) to say about it personally. The spray wax is a decent product, but the Insane tire shire and vynil treatment arent my style. In the end this is what it all comes down to ..... its JUST car wax! We should agree to disagree and let it go.
imported_memnuts
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04Runner said:
*#16* or Meg#16
To those experiencing unsatisfactory performance with NXT who are also topping with another product, I would propose trying NXT alone to see how it does.
Maybe something in the topper is interfering with the NXT. #16's voc's/solvents may actually remove or "goo-up" the NXT, degrading the durability. Although many, including myself have experienced great success in doing so, I don't think NXT or any other "sealant" was originally designed to be topped with wax.
Jason
Maybe something in the topper is interfering with the NXT. #16's voc's/solvents may actually remove or "goo-up" the NXT, degrading the durability. Although many, including myself have experienced great success in doing so, I don't think NXT or any other "sealant" was originally designed to be topped with wax.
Jason
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04Runner said:
I've had much better results with #16 than with NXT.
I won't comment on looks as this was done on a non-color vehicle but for durabilty #16 >>> NXT (did not top either one with anything else)
stiege said:
I used NXT as a LSP immediately after polishing. It had nothing but clean paint to bond to and I was still not impressed by the durability or appearance. The only use I see for it is to fill light swirls, and I am the type to remove them instead of hide them.
#16, on the other hand, does impress me. I just do not frequently use it because I have so many carnaubas.
But that is just me.
l33
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dternst said:
Who cares? how much longer do we have to hear about the NXT debacle. What do you guys want, an apology letter?
Its spoken about as if it REALLY effected our lives.
TortoiseAWD
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Geeze, guys, the horse is dead.
If you've used NXT, and have an opinion on it, please contribute. If you just want to stir up old crap about the NXT hype, backlash, and backlash-to-the-backlash, please let it go already.
My nickel: NXT wasn't very durable for me when I tried it on its own; it did poorly in midwest salt and snow. However, I have used it as a glaze before a coat of #16 before, and that seemed to give a nice look (different from either NXT or #16 by itself).
FWIW,
Tort
If you've used NXT, and have an opinion on it, please contribute. If you just want to stir up old crap about the NXT hype, backlash, and backlash-to-the-backlash, please let it go already.
My nickel: NXT wasn't very durable for me when I tried it on its own; it did poorly in midwest salt and snow. However, I have used it as a glaze before a coat of #16 before, and that seemed to give a nice look (different from either NXT or #16 by itself).
FWIW,
Tort
wannafbody
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if you don't like NXT that's fine-try Mothers SynWax and write a review-but remember it contains cleaners as well as the new Reflections
imported_RIC
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I commend Mother's being upfront that that the new products have cleaners and I don't believe they are making durabilty comparisons to other manufacturer's available products.
My bottle has about 1/3 left in it, i am going to buy it again.
For me the product is good :nixweiss
For whoever started this thread, i would be interested if you would apply NXT again, but goto Target and get some GC wash, or Wally World for NXT.
Lets see if we can sort out this one incident. Like you i am in Florida, and i am almost amazed that this over the counter product works so well for me :woot:
This is why it will get my repeat business:
Too easy to use
Smells pleasant
Easily obtainable
Durability will get me to 3++ months, if i let it go.
Looks great
(fills swirls isnt really an issue for me, but if i did a buddies car, i would use NXT because of this)
And cost.
What more is there??
in my experience, i've had NXT last for 8 weeks of beading before it was either reapplied or replaced with something else (i forgot). this was on a car that was outside during the day, and garaged most nights. i know slickness goes away after a week or two. or was that two or three weeks? 
but in my opinion, NXT is pretty good considering you can get almost anywhere. it looks kinda good too. heck it was the thing that lead me here cause i saw someone use NXT on their azure blue mach1, which made me try it out and then made me want to find out more about detailing.
but in my opinion, NXT is pretty good considering you can get almost anywhere. it looks kinda good too. heck it was the thing that lead me here cause i saw someone use NXT on their azure blue mach1, which made me try it out and then made me want to find out more about detailing.
FalconGuy said:
Mike is a technical writer, not a chemist. I take him at his word that he honestly did not know about the cleaning properties (which are very light) prior to release.
Why would he suspect the inclusion cleaning properties if he is working on properly prepped paint with a product intended as an LSP? All liquids waxes and sealants have some cleaning capacity. I have yet to find one yet (for example) that won't remove light tar...and that does include Z2 Pro. Water alone will clean to a certain extent. Any cleaning properties he may have noticed he probably attributed to that effect. You could argue he should have asked and you'd be right he should have. Mike apologized for the whole debacle but it seems some here will not accept it. Whatever.
Setec Astronomy
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You know, this is really getting silly. Was there hype? I'm sure, Mike Phillips is a Meguiar's zealot, PLUS he works there. There are plenty of zealots on here, Zaino, Klasse, NXT.
There are plenty of people here who have less than optimal experiences with ALL products, SOME of the time. For example, I have an old car, and bought some new products...I wanted to try them out. I taped off a couple of squares on my hood, about a foot square. I think I had used some GC that I was trying to use up on the hood, but it wasn't too fresh.
So I prepped both squares by hand, one with Poorboy's PP followed by EX-P, and the other AIO followed by SGx2. The Poorboy's square was initially much better than the Klasse, all spiderwebbing removed, slicker, etc. You could actually see the Pb's square after the tape was removed. After some rain in a couple of days, the EX-P slickness was gone. I still had the expectation that my little square of Klasse would be beading and apparent in the rain...but after less than a month...my test squares were exactly the same as the rest of the hood.
Do I think Klasse sucks? No. Do I think there is hype and conspiracy here on Autopia about Klasse? No. This isn't controlled laboratory testing. If I tell you that I did my AIO prep correctly, how do you know if I did it the same way as you? That I used the same amount of product, pressed as hard, etc.?
A couple of final thoughts...if any of you expect Mike Phillips, or any other factory rep to be just "one of the guys" when he's in here forget that. Maybe some of you folks that have been here longer than I will disagree, but I have never heard Mike Phillips recommend anything other than Meguiar's...even if Meg's doesn't make a product in the class you are looking for. And I don't blame him; if I was on the internet sending people to another polish company I don't think my boss would look on it too kindly. And lastly, as Bill D. says...it's only wax and polish! Do you guys get your shorts in a bunch when Coke says it's better than Pepsi? Sheesh.
There are plenty of people here who have less than optimal experiences with ALL products, SOME of the time. For example, I have an old car, and bought some new products...I wanted to try them out. I taped off a couple of squares on my hood, about a foot square. I think I had used some GC that I was trying to use up on the hood, but it wasn't too fresh.
So I prepped both squares by hand, one with Poorboy's PP followed by EX-P, and the other AIO followed by SGx2. The Poorboy's square was initially much better than the Klasse, all spiderwebbing removed, slicker, etc. You could actually see the Pb's square after the tape was removed. After some rain in a couple of days, the EX-P slickness was gone. I still had the expectation that my little square of Klasse would be beading and apparent in the rain...but after less than a month...my test squares were exactly the same as the rest of the hood.
Do I think Klasse sucks? No. Do I think there is hype and conspiracy here on Autopia about Klasse? No. This isn't controlled laboratory testing. If I tell you that I did my AIO prep correctly, how do you know if I did it the same way as you? That I used the same amount of product, pressed as hard, etc.?
A couple of final thoughts...if any of you expect Mike Phillips, or any other factory rep to be just "one of the guys" when he's in here forget that. Maybe some of you folks that have been here longer than I will disagree, but I have never heard Mike Phillips recommend anything other than Meguiar's...even if Meg's doesn't make a product in the class you are looking for. And I don't blame him; if I was on the internet sending people to another polish company I don't think my boss would look on it too kindly. And lastly, as Bill D. says...it's only wax and polish! Do you guys get your shorts in a bunch when Coke says it's better than Pepsi? Sheesh.
jfelbab
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Another NXT fan here. After a year of using NXT on somewhere around 25 vehicles I'd say it is a pretty good product. I consistently see 2-3 months of protection. I have used this on cars in the cold midwest and in the heat and humidity of Florida. I love the availability, cost, ease of use and the shine. NXT works well for me and my customers. I will continue to use it.
imported_memnuts
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Not to get off track but to align a couple of concepts.
Cleaning and polishing with a abrasive, no matter how mild, are different techiques.
Cleaning using a solvent, be it aqueous or petro-based achieves its goal by a completely different mechanism of action when removing something let tar. Most vehicle shampoos will remove tar quite easily but none of us would consider a shampoo an abrasive cleaner.
Solvents - dissolution of tar by surfactant manipulation and encapsulation along with the mechanical activity of the washing apparatus (mit).
Abrasives- mechanically degrades (removes) tar
The point is, comparing a pure non-cleaning sealant's ability to remove tar is not comparable to the use of abrasives nor does it justify a product's admission into the non-abrasive club of protectants.
Meguiar's:
The only mistake Megs made with NXT was not promoting the mild cleansing activity in this product. For the majority of vehicle owners this cleansing, polishing, defect filliing is a wonderful combination. One that will move products off the shelves. Let us get back to reality here. We are in a minority by the anal aspect on how we detail our vehicles. We seek that nano increase is our vehicles' appearance. The rest of the world really does not care about this nano increase nor do they have any desire to chase the dream we (Autopians) seek.
For what NXT is, it is an excellent OTC product. It doesn't meet my goals but that does not make it junk. As an OTC easily available product I would recommend it.
Final point:
For those that thought they were hyped. Shame on you for ever thinking there is an Utopia car shine in a single bottle.
Off the box sir, it time to go back to your room.
Cleaning and polishing with a abrasive, no matter how mild, are different techiques.
Cleaning using a solvent, be it aqueous or petro-based achieves its goal by a completely different mechanism of action when removing something let tar. Most vehicle shampoos will remove tar quite easily but none of us would consider a shampoo an abrasive cleaner.
Solvents - dissolution of tar by surfactant manipulation and encapsulation along with the mechanical activity of the washing apparatus (mit).
Abrasives- mechanically degrades (removes) tar
The point is, comparing a pure non-cleaning sealant's ability to remove tar is not comparable to the use of abrasives nor does it justify a product's admission into the non-abrasive club of protectants.
Meguiar's:
The only mistake Megs made with NXT was not promoting the mild cleansing activity in this product. For the majority of vehicle owners this cleansing, polishing, defect filliing is a wonderful combination. One that will move products off the shelves. Let us get back to reality here. We are in a minority by the anal aspect on how we detail our vehicles. We seek that nano increase is our vehicles' appearance. The rest of the world really does not care about this nano increase nor do they have any desire to chase the dream we (Autopians) seek.
For what NXT is, it is an excellent OTC product. It doesn't meet my goals but that does not make it junk. As an OTC easily available product I would recommend it.
Final point:
For those that thought they were hyped. Shame on you for ever thinking there is an Utopia car shine in a single bottle.
Off the box sir, it time to go back to your room.
imported_RIC
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"Meguiars never made any durability comparisons to other manufacturer's products either that I can remember, they just said it was Meguiars most durable."
Mike Philips compared it to other products regarding looks and durability and I consider Mike to be a representative of Meguiar's.
Others can chime in as to whether they agree or disagree.
Mike Philips compared it to other products regarding looks and durability and I consider Mike to be a representative of Meguiar's.
Others can chime in as to whether they agree or disagree.